How are these Great Beings explained?

[Unveiled Artist]

@loverofhumanity

The source of all truth is from God. Whether one acknowledges it or not doesn't matter.

You just said have a Honda Civic. If my car is the same as your car "would you not be able to identify what car I drive"?

What is my source?

Our truth comes from the same one source although we may both outwardly call it by a different name.

Which is?

If yours and my truth are the same then your truth is - "truth" also.

Dodging the question. What is my truth? Describe it.

Even if you use a different choice of words, I should be able to identify with it in concept and meaning at least.

 

[loverofhumanity]

What is my truth?

Edit: Loverofhumanity. I can't make it more similar. Actually, this is the first time I remember having a question with only four words. Interesting.

If you're asking me to put a name on truth, well, truth is just truth. The closest I can come is God or Reality.

I think you're talking on a very superficial level and I'm answering in a deep level. So we are not communicating our points to each other well.

If you're interchanging belief with truth then please make that clear as truth and belief are two entirely different things.

If you're talking about belief we can put a name on it but truth is an esoteric, mystical thing not something that carries a label. Labels are worldly. Truth is spiritual.

If you feel I'm not understanding then please reword the question if you really want an answer.

I'm very sincere to try and answer but you keep using wording that is ambiguous.

What is my truth? doesn't make sense to me as truth does the have a name. So I can't answer a question put like that. What is my belief would sound more accurate.

 

[loverofhumanity]

@loverofhumanity



You just said have a Honda Civic. If my car is the same as your car "would you not be able to identify what car I drive"?

What is my source?



Which is?



Dodging the question. What is my truth? Describe it.

Even if you use a different choice of words, I should be able to identify with it in concept and meaning at least.

Your asking me to describe truth? There are no words to describe truth. We can mention things like love and honesty etc but I can't find hardly any words to describe truth. Certitude is one word which springs to mind.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Posts ago I explained it in detail and asked the question. I don't believe you read my full post. I read your full post because I have to section them in quotes to read each part individually. I can't comment on all at one time. My brain because of learning disabilities and seizures cannot put together full concepts and remember them all at one time without them getting twisted.

If you're asking me to put a name on truth, well, truth is just truth. The closest I can come is God or Reality.

Okay. We're getting somewhere. God and reality are labels, I will give you that. Expand, though. Get deeper into god and reality so I know if it is my truth by different name. I won't say yes or no because our truths are the same, so it wouldn't matter, right?

I think you're talking on a very superficial level and I'm answering in a deep level. So we are not communicating our points to each other well.

So while we are going on a deeper level given you answered the question, we're taking this in steps. I know what you believe. Now I'm simplifying it.

You say the same truth is god and reality. Now I know you have a Honda Civic and not just any ol' car. I admit, I have a car, but can you describe it?

Using comparison analogy.

If you're interchanging belief with truth then please make that clear as truth and belief are two entirely different things.

I never mentioned belief. I just said what is my truth. Anything more is what you are reading into it. Remember, I take a lot of things literal. Religion included. If you feel there is a deeper or another intent to my question, please ask.

If you're talking about belief we can put a name on it but truth is an esoteric, mystical thing not something that carries a label. Labels are worldly. Truth is spiritual.

Yes, they are. God and reality included. So we need to delve behind these words and actually get to the heart of this "same truth." You explained what you believe but since we are talking about greater truth and we all share this greater truth, describe my truth.

If you feel I'm not understanding then please reword the question if you really want an answer.

Trying the best I can. I think you're reading more into it. @Vinayaka car example is a good one.

I'm very sincere to try and answer but you keep using wording that is ambiguous.

Actually, words like unity, peace, greater peace, lesser peace, things like that (universalist words) are ambiguous. I never told you my truth before but it is very specific. If you want to delve ore into my truth, I would think that redundant because my truth is your truth. However, I'm asking you to describe it because you're generalizing truth when it should be specific.

What is my truth? doesn't make sense to me as truth does the have a name. So I can't answer a question put like that. What is my belief would sound more accurate.

Okay. You said each religion shares the same truth. You used the word truth not me.

Does everyone share the same belief?

If so, what is my belief?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Your asking me to describe truth? There are no words to describe truth. We can mention things like love and honesty etc but I can't find hardly any words to describe truth. Certitude is one word which springs to mind.

If it is different than mine, how would you know if you cant describe it?

That, and that description is abstract. What does love and honesty mean to you? Do you define it outside of your traditions, language, and culture?

Now back to my original question.

You said we all share the same truth. Truth is defined by our TLC.

You do not believe this. So what is my truth since it is the same as yours?

Describe my love. My honesty. and so forth.

Doing the best I can to make it simple.

 

[loverofhumanity]

If it is different than mine, how would you know if you cant describe it?

That, and that description is abstract. What does love and honesty mean to you? Do you define it outside of your traditions, language, and culture?

Now back to my original question.

You said we all share the same truth. Truth is defined by our TLC.

You do not believe this. So what is my truth since it is the same as yours?

Describe my love. My honesty. and so forth.

Doing the best I can to make it simple.

My understanding is truth is relative not absolute for us on earth.

Not being able to put or describe truth in worldly terms doesn't mean I can't recognise truth in other people and religions. We all have the ability to know truth.

Virtues like love and honesty are the life of the world without these things we can't function properly. In this day the need is to love all humanity. That is my understanding.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

My understanding is truth is relative not absolute for us on earth.

Not being able to put or describe truth in worldly terms doesn't mean I can't recognise truth in other people and religions. We all have the ability to know truth.

Virtues like love and honesty are the life of the world without these things we can't function properly. In this day the need is to love all humanity. That is my understanding.

That makes sense. Okay. Truth is relative and it involves love. Since that is truth for you, it would be truth for me, correct? That is if we have the same truth as you say all religions have even if they don't realize it.

 

[loverofhumanity]

="Carlita, post: 5133500, member: 55631"]Posts ago I explained it in detail and asked the question. I don't believe you read my full post. I read your full post because I have to section them in quotes to read each part individually. I can't comment on all at one time. My brain because of learning disabilities and seizures cannot put together full concepts and remember them all at one time without them getting twisted.

I'm pretty sure I read that post.

Okay. We're getting somewhere. God and reality are labels, I will give you that. Expand, though. Get deeper into god and reality so I know if it is my truth by different name. I won't say yes or no because our truths are the same, so it wouldn't matter, right?

We all possess the ability to know truth. And we can all perceive it according to our capacity. Some understand it deeper than others but we all can understand some truth although no one knows everything.

So while we are going on a deeper level given you answered the question, we're taking this in steps. I know what you believe. Now I'm simplifying it. You say the same truth is god and reality. Now I know you have a Honda Civic and not just any ol' car. I admit, I have a car, but can you describe it?

Using comparison analogy.

I can't describe even my truth in words so how do you expect me to describe yours? I only know every human can perceive truth, some more than others.

Yes, they are. God and reality included. So we need to delve behind these words and actually get to the heart of this "same truth." You explained what you believe but since we are talking about greater truth and we all share this greater truth, describe my truth.

I can't because it is a subjective, personal mystical experience. It is an experience, an awareness, a consciousness not a belief that can be written down.

Okay. You said each religion shares the same truth. You used the word truth not me.

Yes they do. The Words of the Holy Books are not ordinary words. They are 'truth' and have spiritual power within them to transform people and enable them to know truth.

[QUOTE Does everyone share the same belief?[/QUOTE]

No. We all have different beliefs

If so, what is my belief?[/QUOTE]

I don't know all your beliefs. You mentioned Buddhism and Catholicism and I think paganism. I know you don't believe in sacrifice as in killing and believe in non violence. You said you can respect the difference of all Faiths.

 

[loverofhumanity]

That makes sense. Okay. Truth is relative and it involves love. Since that is truth for you, it would be truth for me, correct? That is if we have the same truth as you say all religions have even if they don't realize it.

Yes.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes.

How so? I'm not Bahai, so step in my shoes for a minute.

 

[Vinayaka]

If yours and my truth are the same then your truth is - "truth" also.

Again ... please describe my truth, in a few words. Vagueness isn't helpful at all. That's like saying I live on this planet called Earth and I eat food.

So here's another example.

A traveller from UK recently ended up in Sydney. Although he wanted to be in Sydney, Australia, he found himself in Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada. (true story) So are you goiung to claim that its the same Sydney?

So, the word 'truth' has no meaning whatsoever without an explanation.

 

[Vinayaka]

Certitude is one word which springs to mind.

Certitude means you are certain of something. So ... what are you certain of? Certain of God? Then describe how you view God. Is God inside you, outside of you, where is God? These are all things a religious individual can do.

 

[Vinayaka]

This may or may not be helpful.

Religious views on truth - Wikipedia

 

[loverofhumanity]

How so? I'm not Bahai, so step in my shoes for a minute.

We were speaking about truth and love not belief.

 

[loverofhumanity]

This may or may not be helpful.

Religious views on truth - Wikipedia

Yes that's helpful. We understand that the two ways one can be exposed directly to truth are through meeting the Manifestation of God in person and through a His revealed Word.

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes that's helpful. We understand that the two ways one can be exposed directly to truth are through meeting the Manifestation of God in person and through a His revealed Word.

I don't believe in either of those. For me there is only one way to be exposed to truth.

I believe in the statement 'The Truth will set you free.' but not at all in the same way you do, or a Christian does.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Certitude means you are certain of something. So ... what are you certain of? Certain of God? Then describe how you view God. Is God inside you, outside of you, where is God? These are all things a religious individual can do.

Baha'u'llah actually describes the preconditions for attainment to the City of Certitude as well as explains how the mystical process affects the person.

 

[Vinayaka]

Baha'u'llah actually describes the preconditions for attainment to the City of Certitude as well as explains how the mystical process affects the person.

Go on. What are the preconditions, and what is this 'mystical process'.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I don't believe in either of those. For me there is only one way to be exposed to truth.

I believe in the statement 'The Truth will set you free.' but not at all in the same way you do, or a Christian does.

What if you were to meet a great guru, wouldn't that affect you at all or wouldn't his words of wisdom affect you?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Go on. What are the preconditions, and what is this 'mystical process'.

I don't want to burden you but only Baha'u'llah can describe it adequately.

I know these words don't interest you so I wouldn't want to make you read something you really don't want to.