How are these Great Beings explained?

[Unveiled Artist]

Ha Ha, Well done. That's the Spirit

Regards Tony

Read the whole thing. Read the context.

But you have many lifetimes to know there is no god. Until then, you are blind.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In Luke 17:21 it says "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

Interestingly in 1894, 2 years after Baha'u'llah passed, Leo Tolstoy released a book of the Same Name.

The Kingdom of God Is Within You - Wikipedia

Regards Tony

That is not true. The kingdom of god is not in you. That is what I mean about being blind. Its your decision to be blind to reality. Not everyone, jesus and muhammad included, sees reality.

I wouldnt be surprised if jesus and muhammad were reborn as humans. If they are, it makes me think what century and title they will be. Hopefully not someone killing children at the holocaust. Its possible jesus may be a survivor there.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That is not true. The kingdom of god is not in you. That is what I mean about being blind. Its your decision to be blind to reality. Not everyone, jesus and muhammad included, sees reality.

I wouldnt be surprised if jesus and muhammad were reborn as humans. If they are, it makes me think what century and title they will be. Hopefully not someone killing children at the holocaust. Its possible jesus may be a survivor there.

Thus the need of the Word given by the Great Beings, a Reality above our understandings.

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Thus the need of the Word given by the Great Beings, a Reality above our understandings.

Regards Tony

We dont need the words of anyone but our own. It comes from you and no one else-no beings, no god, no book (no hearsay, no because its written. No because its tradition-practices anr beliefs kept through ages): This is what it means to be blind.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

We dont need the words of anyone but our own. It comes from you and no one else-no beings, no god, no book (no hearsay, no because its written. No because its tradition-practices anr beliefs kept through ages): This is what it means to be blind.

That is not logical as we are born without understanding only the potential for it. From that point who gave you the ability to understand, why is is we need education?

It is evident we need an educator, I choose all the great beings. You have chosen Buddha for more understanding, you have looked elsewhere, this already says you are looking for a higher Reality, that is more than your own thoughts.

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is not logical as we are born without understanding only the potential for it. From that point who gave you the ability to understand, why is is we need education?

Yes, it does make sense. Unless your parents are still teaching you bare necessities now, as an an adult learning the "purpose" of life, if you like, comes from how You view the world. What makes sense to You. How do you see Yourself when you die. How do You define yourself now while living. What is outside you can always be taken away (hence the defensiveness). Whats inside you can not (humility). Outside: prophets and god Inside: you are the source. You are the tool that connects you to that source:: you.

It is evident we need an educator, I choose all the great beings. You have chosen Buddha for more understanding, you have looked elsewhere, this already says you are looking for a higher Reality, that is more than your own thoughts.

No it is not. It is evident that most of us fear death (admit it or not). Its human nature not religious. So, since the Sumerian era we start creating one god from many gods. Until the greeks when they *cough* made people gods.

I dont see The Buddha as someone I "directly" get intruction from. The Buddha is Dead. No more rebirth. No existence. No spirit. Buddhism is about The Dharma not the suttas and not The Buddha.

I let you sit on that one.

 

[CG Didymus]

The Catholic Church was the attempt at holding fast to the Covenant given by Christ.

"With regard to your question concerning the Virgin Birth of Jesus: On this point, as on several others, the Bahá’í Teachings are in full agreement with the doctrines of the Catholic Church. In the 'Kitáb-i-Íqán' (Book of Certitude) p. 56, and in a few other Tablets still unpublished, Bahá’u’lláh confirms, however indirectly, the Catholic conception of the Virgin Birth. Also ‘Abdu’l-Bahá in the 'Some Answered Questions', Chap. XII, p. 73, explicitly states that 'Christ found existence through the Spirit of God' which statement necessarily implies, when viewed in the light of the text, that Jesus was not the son of Joseph." (From a letter dated October 14, 1945 written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer)

"A Catholic background is an excellent introduction to the Faith, and one that Mrs. …should feel gratified for having had. Though doctrines of the church today are no longer needed—as the Father Himself has come, and thus fulfilled the mission of Christ the Son—yet the foundation they lay of spiritual discipline, and their emphasis on spiritual values and adherence to moral laws, is very important and very close to our own beliefs." (From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to two believers, August 17, 1941)

The men of the time did overstep the authority they had though;

"Now with regard to your questions. First concerning the statement of Jesus Christ 'Thou art Peter and upon this rock etc.'; this saying of Jesus establishes beyond any doubt the primacy of Peter and also the principle of succession, but is not explicit enough regarding the nature and functioning of the Church itself. The Catholics have read too much into that statement, and derived from it certain conclusions which are quite unjustifiable." (From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, September 7, 1938)

Thus the Divisions and why Christ was to return.

Regards Tony

Hmmm, the Virgin Birth unscientific. Belief in the devil and demons, purgatory and hell. Belief in Original Sin and Infant Baptism... And of course the literal Resurrection and Asencion of Jesus. The confession of sins to a priest and so on. Excellent introduction? How? By being wrong? According to Baha'is?

And divisions? What divisions were there when "Christ" returned in the person of Muhammad? Didn't he have to come to correct Christianity?

 

[CG Didymus]

Baha'u'llah has confirmed it Contains the Word of God and is still valid Spiritual Guidance.

Baha'u'llah has given the keys of understanding to the questions you have asked. Did you read the Kitab-i-quan?

Regards Tony

But you didn't address the questions I asked.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What is outside you can always be taken away (hence the defensiveness). Whats inside you can not (humility). Outside: prophets and god Inside: you are the source. You are the tool that connects you to that source:: you.

I let you sit on that one.

I sat on it

Baha'u'llah supplied answers from all the Holy Books of the past for you on those comments;

"O SON OF UTTERANCE! Turn thy face unto Mine and renounce all save Me; for My sovereignty endureth and My dominion perisheth not. If thou seekest another than Me, yea, if thou searchest the universe for evermore, thy quest will be in vain."

"O SON OF MAN! Thou art My dominion and My dominion perisheth not; wherefore fearest thou thy perishing? Thou art My light and My light shall never be extinguished; why dost thou dread extinction? Thou art My glory and My glory fadeth not; thou art My robe and My robe shall never be outworn. Abide then in thy love for Me, that thou mayest find Me in the realm of glory."

"O SON OF BEING! With the hands of power I made thee and with the fingers of strength I created thee; and within thee have I placed the essence of My light. Be thou content with it and seek naught else, for My work is perfect and My command is binding. Question it not, nor have a doubt thereof."

"O SON OF SPIRIT! I created thee rich, why dost thou bring thyself down to poverty? Noble I made thee, wherewith dost thou abase thyself? Out of the essence of knowledge I gave thee being, why seekest thou enlightenment from anyone beside Me? Out of the clay of love I molded thee, how dost thou busy thyself with another? Turn thy sight unto thyself, that thou mayest find Me standing within thee, mighty, powerful and self-subsisting."

I think they covered all you offered.

The only good seen in me is the Me of God and only if I have allowed that aspect to shine. As for the material me, I do not want this me, that me is part of this world, its the part you always find fault with and lacks knowledge.

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I sat on it

Baha'u'llah supplied answers from all the Holy Books of the past for you on those comments;

"O SON OF UTTERANCE! Turn thy face unto Mine and renounce all save Me; for My sovereignty endureth and My dominion perisheth not. If thou seekest another than Me, yea, if thou searchest the universe for evermore, thy quest will be in vain."

"O SON OF MAN! Thou art My dominion and My dominion perisheth not; wherefore fearest thou thy perishing? Thou art My light and My light shall never be extinguished; why dost thou dread extinction? Thou art My glory and My glory fadeth not; thou art My robe and My robe shall never be outworn. Abide then in thy love for Me, that thou mayest find Me in the realm of glory."

"O SON OF BEING! With the hands of power I made thee and with the fingers of strength I created thee; and within thee have I placed the essence of My light. Be thou content with it and seek naught else, for My work is perfect and My command is binding. Question it not, nor have a doubt thereof."

"O SON OF SPIRIT! I created thee rich, why dost thou bring thyself down to poverty? Noble I made thee, wherewith dost thou abase thyself? Out of the essence of knowledge I gave thee being, why seekest thou enlightenment from anyone beside Me? Out of the clay of love I molded thee, how dost thou busy thyself with another? Turn thy sight unto thyself, that thou mayest find Me standing within thee, mighty, powerful and self-subsisting."

I think they covered all you offered.

The only good seen in me is the Me of God and only if I have allowed that aspect to shine. As for the material me, I do not want this me, that me is part of this world, its the part you always find fault with and lacks knowledge.

Regards Tony

Sit on: Its not about The Buddha, The Dharma, nor the Sangha.

Everything else, I dont see anything you would call unique about your religion and repeating it. If its just like all other religions, there is no use picking one when anyone would do.

What is unique about your religion that the "revealed religions" do not have?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Sit on: Its not about The Buddha, The Dharma, nor the Sangha.

Everything else, I dont see anything you would call unique about your religion and repeating it. If its just like all other religions, there is no use picking one when anyone would do.

What is unique about your religion that the "revealed religions" do not have?

It is all about our One God Calita, I do not need to sit on that, I need to live the life of virtues and service, all the while sharing the knowledge of One God.

I think you look right over what is unique as you do not believe in God. That Baha'u'llah has shown that the One God, is the God of all Faiths, is very refreshing. That builds a unity no man can match.

Go back through the posts and you will see it is the most rejected aspect of what has been offered. That it is the most rejected, just adds to how right it is.

Ya Baha'ul' abha is the call from all the mountains in all the earth and heavens. I wonder how many are up and listening for this call as the Sun now rises?

It is about you and God, to which I can do not a thing.

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I type and reply fast because I read posts in sections. I can't read it all at one time and reply like you guys Hence why and how I read all your posts so fast.

It is all about our One God Calita, I do not need to sit on that, I need to live the life of virtues and service, all the while sharing the knowledge of One God.

Sit on: It is not about The Buddha, The Dharma, and The Sangha.

This statement has nothing to do with god.

I think you look right over what is unique as you do not beleivw in God. That Baha'u'llah has shown that the One God is the God of all Faiths is very refreshing. That builds a unity no man can match.

There is something unique.

1. You picked that faith over others
2. You only have a few revealed faiths not all.

Go back through the posts and yoi will see it is the most rejected aspect of what has been offered. That it is the most rejected just adds to how right it is.

You guys rejected a lot in this thread. I addressed this in my first paragraph of this post.

Ya Baha'ul' abha is the call from all the mountains in all the earth and heavens. I wonder how many are up and listening for this call as the Sun now rises?

Hmm. If diversity is the key, why ask?

It is an irrelevant question and mindset to one who accepts diversity.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And aren't we in dire need of another Great Spiritual Teacher to revive us spiritually?

I would say yes, but I note this thread did not really sort it out......and it was reeeeeal long. Only attempted to read a few

Personally I see it is time for unity and how that will unfold for here on in, is now any bodies guess.

Peace be with you all

 

[Trailblazer]

I would say yes, but I note this thread did not really sort it out......and it was reeeeeal long. Only attempted to read a few

I never had a chance to read this thread since I came to this forum after it had died down.

I think the OP makes a good point though and it is something I have learned in about five years of posting on forums day and night.... For some unknown reason, most people do not like the idea of Messengers of God, and they do not believe that they got a message from God.

Nonbelievers want some other kind of communication from God, and even if they do investigate Baha'u'llah they always have a reason to be suspicious... So I have come to the conclusion that Jesus was right, and that is just the way it has to be until people change or God changes them...

Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

Personally I see it is time for unity and how that will unfold for here on in, is now any bodies guess.

“My object is none other than the betterment of the world and the tranquillity of its peoples. The well-being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 286

 

[Valjean]

Nonbelievers want tangible evidence, not claims of personal communications.
We've had plenty of those.

 

[Trailblazer]

Nonbelievers want tangible evidence, not claims of personal communications.
We've had plenty of those.

The Baha'i Faith, what has been established and what Baha'is are doing all over the world is tangible evidence.
Light to the World

 

[Valjean]

The Baha'i Faith, what has been established and what Baha'is are doing all over the world is tangible evidence.
Light to the World

How is a faith evidence?

 

[Trailblazer]

How is a faith evidence?

It is evidence that indicates that something momentous happened and is still happening today.
If one knew what happened and what is happening now it would be easier to understand why it is evidence.

The history alone is pretty difficult to explain away.
The Dawn-Breakers
God Passes By

 

[Valjean]

It is evidence that indicates that something momentous happened and is still happening today.

But how is it evidence?

If one knew what happened and what is happening now it would be easier to understand why it is evidence.

What does this mean?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But how is it evidence?
What does this mean?

From what I have found, from reading from these sources, God works His plan over time and we all think that it is us making the change. What I have found is, that the changes we make have already given by the Messenger.

I read where Baha'u'llah has said back in the late 1800s that there needs to be a world governing body that works for the peace and security of mankind. That advice given before two world wars.

Then man sets up a League of Nations and then a United Nations, but leaves out critical guidance so that they will work. All the while man thinks it his effort bringing this peace, unaware that they are tapping into the source within them.

The more we look into what a Messenger has given, the more we find the solutions for the age we live in.

Peace be upon you and all.