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How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Not everything has to be in a neat category. History books call the original followers of Jesus Jewish Christians.
In the first century of the Church, the label "Christian" was not used but "the Way" was. In Acts, the fact that they were called "Christians" was a label, but considered probably a sarcastic one, that outsiders called them.

Also, some of the earliest converts were what were called "God-Fearers" [translated into English of course], who were Gentiles that believed in the One God but whom did not convert to Judaism [quite possibly to avoid circumcision].
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
In the first century of the Church, the label "Christian" was not used but "the Way" was. In Acts, the fact that they were called "Christians" was a label, but considered probably a sarcastic one, that outsiders called them.

Also, some of the earliest converts were what were called "God-Fearers" [translated into English of course], who were Gentiles that believed in the One God but whom did not convert to Judaism [quite possibly to avoid circumcision].

What the Jewish Christians believed in was somewhere in between modern Christianity and modern Judaism. They didn't use either term because it sounds weird to say you follow two beliefs in one, it should have the title of one or the other. Being Jewish is following the Old Covenant and being Christian is following the New Covenant. i wouldnt go out of my way to word it like its two religions in one but I wouldn't minimize any Christian or Jewish tradition so doesn't look that way. Jewish Christian - Wikipedia

The split of Christianity and Judaism took place during the first centuries CE.[2][3]While the First Jewish–Roman War and the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE were main events, the separation was a long-term process, in which the boundaries were not clear-cut.[2][3]
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
What the Jewish Christians believed in was somewhere in between modern Christianity and modern Judaism.
Not really as both have evolved quite significantly over the last 2000 years. On top of that, the God-Fearers should not be stereotyped as all we know about them is that they were attracted to the Jewish concept of God and often hung around the Temples and synagogues. Also, there were different sects of Judaism, and they certainly weren't all on the same page even within Judaism itself.

IOW, things weren't that simple.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Not really as both have evolved quite significantly over the last 2000 years. On top of that, the God-Fearers should not be stereotyped as all we know about them is that they were attracted to the Jewish concept of God and often hung around the Temples and synagogues. Also, there were different sects of Judaism, and they certainly weren't all on the same page even within Judaism itself.

IOW, things weren't that simple.

The God Fearers were like Messianic gentiles.The Way was both a Jewish and a Christian sect-in terms of religious classification. Jewish Christian - Wikipedia

The split of Christianity and Judaism took place during the first centuries CE.[2][3]While the First Jewish–Roman War and the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE were main events, the separation was a long-term process, in which the boundaries were not clear-cut.[2][3]

The Way became gentile for the same reason that many Christian people don't read Messianic Jewish books because they feel it's not relevant to their walk with God.

Early Christianity was considered a Jewish sect but the Way is also considered Christian. Jewish Christian - Wikipedia

Many see the term Jewish Christians as anachronistic given that there is no consensus on the date of the birth of Christianity. Some modern scholars have suggested the designations "Jewish believers in Jesus" or "Jewish followers of Jesus" as better reflecting the original context.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Not everything has to be in a neat category. History books call the original followers of Jesus Jewish Christians.

Of course, not everything has to be 'neat category,' but the difference between Judaism is specific and clear based on differences in religious beliefs. Jews are Jews and Christians are Christians including Messianic Jewish Christians.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
For those of you who have missed the irony, it's page 133 and we have a Christian and a Bahai pontificating in a thread titled

"How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?" :D
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Of course, not everything has to be 'neat category,' but the difference between Judaism is specific and clear based on differences in religious beliefs. Jews are Jews and Christians are Christians including Messianic Jewish Christians.

The beliefs of the Jewish Christians and the Old Testament saints like Job and David were somewhere in between modern Christianity and modern Judaism.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Therefore rejecting the Trinity

Only God saves doesn't reject the Trinity. The compound unity within the Godhead supports that the Suffering Servant is God. The Bible doesn't mention the word Trinity but it mentions the Godhead. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Only God saves doesn't reject the Trinity. The compound unity within the Godhead supports that the Suffering Servant is God. The Bible doesn't mention the word Trinity but it mentions the Godhead. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The Tanakh as whole clearly and specifically rejects the Trinity.
 
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