How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

[Skywalker]

The Tanakh as whole clearly and specifically rejects the Trinity.

Interpretations of the Tanakh reject the Trinity, not the Tanakh itself. Some interpretations of the Tanakh teach reincarnation or there is no hell. Rabbis, like pastors and priests, are human beings who can interpert the Bible wrongly. “Sheol” Does Not Merely Refer To The “Grave”

Psalms 9:17, “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.”

Our text verse from Psalms 9:17 PROVES that the term “hell” in the Old Testament cannot merely refer to the “grave.” In the Old Testament, the word “hell” comes from the Hebrew word “Sheol,” which means, “realm of the dead.” When a person dies, they go to the realm of the dead. Many ignorant Bible students and satanic religious cults assume that the word hell only refers to “the grave,” but the Bible proves this assumption to be very wrong.

Consider our text verse: Psalms 9:17, “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” Now if the righteous and the wicked both go to the same place, that is, Sheol, then Psalms 9:17 makes no sense at all. What would be the significance of the Bible warning that “THE WICKED” will be “TURNED INTO HELL,” if that's the same place that the righteous also go??? Clearly, Hell (Sheol) must refer to something much more—someplace awful, a place of misery, torment and punishment for THE WICKED!!!

 

[shunyadragon]

Interpretations of the Tanakh reject the Trinity, not the Tanakh itself. Some interpretations of the Tanakh teach reincarnation or there is no hell. Rabbis, like pastors and priests, are human beings who can interpert the Bible wrongly. “Sheol” Does Not Merely Refer To The “Grave”

Your reference does not address the issue.

I do not know of any Jewish scholar that will support the notion that the Tanakh remotely can be interpreted to support the Trinity.

 

[shunyadragon]

The beliefs of the Jewish Christians and the Old Testament saints like Job and David were somewhere in between modern Christianity and modern Judaism.

The Old Testament saints? like Job and David may be revered by anyone who chooses regardless of beliefs, and has nothing to with the issues at hand.

 

[Skywalker]

Your reference does not address the issue.

I do not know of any Jewish scholar that will support the notion that the Tanakh remotely can be interpreted to support the Trinity.

People misinterpret the Bible. Catholicism calls the priests father and Mormonism teach blasphemous things. Matthew 23:9

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Mormonism: God had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus

A. Mormons deny the virgin birth of Mary:

The Mormon Church Teaches That:

• • Our God is an exalted man of flesh and bone
  • He physically lives with His many wives near the star Kolob
  • Worthy Mormon men can also become Gods, like Him
  • Our God is one of many Gods and serves a God of His own!
  • God came down to earth in the flesh and was the physical father of Jesus
  • You should not trust the Bible in this matter. It is wrong.
  • Trust their prophets.
  • Read what the Mormon leaders say about our Savior and the Virgin Mary.

How can Mormons claim they believe in the virgin birth if God had sex with Mary?

They change the definition of the word virgin. Mormons feel that they can still use the phrase "virgin birth" because God was an IMMORTAL being who had sex with Mary, not a mere mortal man. And this is exactly what Bruce McConkie, (top LSD theologian, and one of the Mormon 12 Apostles, died in 1985) said:

• "For our present purposes, suffice it to say that our Lord was born of a virgin, which is fitting and proper, and also natural, since the Father of the Child was an immortal Being" (The Promised Messiah, pg. 466).

In other words, if Joseph had sex with Mary she would not have been a virgin, but since God had sex with Mary, she remains a virgin.

• By "Virgin birth", Mormons mean that no mortal human had sex with Mary, but since God had sex with Mary, and He is immortal, she remains a virgin!

 

[Skywalker]

The Old Testament saints? like Job and David may be revered by anyone who chooses regardless of beliefs, and has nothing to with the issues at hand.

The Bible uses the term saints to refer to all believers. What does the Bible say about Christian saints? What are saints?

Christians are called saints because they are called to live set apart from the corruption of the world. Followers of Christ are called to be holy (1 Corinthians 1:2; 1 Peter 1:15-16).

 

[shunyadragon]

The Bible uses the term saints to refer to all believers. What does the Bible say about Christian saints? What are saints?

This does not address my response. Jews do not refer to them as saints.

 

[shunyadragon]

People misinterpret the Bible. Catholicism calls the priests father and Mormonism teach blasphemous things. Matthew 23:9

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Mormonism: God had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus

Does not address the issue of my posts and the thread. Your responses are all over the place.

 

[Skywalker]

Does not address the issue of my posts and the thread. Your responses are all over the place.

Just because Jewish scholars don't believe that the Tanakh mentions the Trinity doesnt mean that that is the correct interpretation of the scriptures. People misunderstand what the Bible teaches. I mentioned Catholicism and Mormonism as examples

 

[Skywalker]

This does not address my response. Jews do not refer to them as saints.

I didn't use the term saints to imply that they should be revered.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

. . . and a Jew arrogantly pontificating that only Jews can address the issues in this thread.

Fair point ...

 

[shunyadragon]

Just because Jewish scholars don't believe that the Tanakh mentions the Trinity doesnt mean that that is the correct interpretation of the scriptures. People misunderstand what the Bible teaches. I mentioned Catholicism and Mormonism as examples

I never asserted that the interpretation of Jewish scholars necessarily have the correct interpretation, but it is their scripture, their history in their language. The problem is that the Jewish and Christin perspective is that there interpretation is the only 'true' interpretation. Christian interpretation are in different Western languages, and culture and remains highly problematic from the Jewish perspective. In fact in my view the Bible is an edited, redacted and compiled scripture since ~700-600 BCE without documented authorship for the most part, and without provenance nor original documents. It is obvious from the academic perspective that the Pentateuch does not have original authors remotely dated to the time the scripture was claimed to be written, and used earlier Sumerian, Babylonian, Phoenician, Canaanite, and Ugarit sources. The Hebrew written language did not exist before ~700 BCE. Before this the Hebrews were a minor Canaanite pastoral tribe in the hills of Judah. These are the known facts, and later day interpretations are highly questionable

I interpret all ancient scriptures of the world in the historical context of the times and culture they were written without any particular agenda. It reflects what they believed at the time it was written. I tend to view the different religions of the world in universal perspective of the evolving beliefs and cultures of humanity regardless of whether they are specifically 'true' or not.

 

[shunyadragon]

I didn't use the term saints to imply that they should be revered.

Then how did you use term? It is a Christian, and not Jewish perspective.

 

[shunyadragon]

Just because most Jewish people and Christian people have different interpretations of the scripture doesn't mean that that being Jewish and Christian are mutually exclusive.

The facts of the different heritage and contrasting beliefs makes them mutually exclusive.

 

[RabbiO]

Interpretations of the Tanakh reject the Trinity, not the Tanakh itself. Some interpretations of the Tanakh teach reincarnation or there is no hell. Rabbis, like pastors and priests, are human beings who can interpert the Bible wrongly. “Sheol” Does Not Merely Refer To The “Grave”

More material from a website that is, inter alia, antisemitic. I would not have expected anything less from you. I would like to think that you are only displaying the ignorance and arrogance typical of many in their early 20s, but the more you continue to cite to websites that deal in hate in all varieties...

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Job didn't use the term Christian. Many Messianic Jewish people say that they have not become Christians. What the early church believed was somewhere in between modern Christianity and modern Judaism.

Messianics, both Jews and Gentiles, may say they are not Christian, but that's what they are. They believe that Jesus died for their sins, that he rose, and will come again. That's what a Christian is.