Great... I hope I don't have any memories so it would be as if that's my first life.
One life is enough, if you ask me.
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How can anyone ever deserve eternal punishment?
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Great... I hope I don't have any memories so it would be as if that's my first life.
One life is enough, if you ask me.
"I hope I don't have any memories so it " _____ You wont, if you are not among the uncountable number who are saved, then after the death of your body, you, the 'I AM," will then pass through the second death, and you the spirit, will be wiped from the eternal Soul that is the Logos.
"One life is enough," _____________You have no say in the matter, the universal body in which the 'Light Of Man' developed as the Supreme personality of Godhead will be resurrected, and you are but a nano second in the body of He.
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Yup. I'm screwed either way.
Well, at least you can go to sleep assured that you will not spend eternity in the Hell where the fire is never extinguished and the worms never dies.
Heneni
Miss Independent
How can anyone offended by god stand to be in his presence for more than a second?
Eternal punishment means being eternally obstinate and offended and disgusted with god.
God will not drag anybody kicking and screaming into heaven.
Satan for one...has gone over to the darkside since he could not stand to be in the presence of god. Having seen his own glory he prefered himself above god, and therefore was rightly given the boot. If he does not want to be in the presence of god then he did not have to be. He did not have the right to take heaven as his own because he was more impressed with himself than with god. And so he has his own domain.
And likewise anybody that is offended by god, loves themselves more than him has no claim on his home.
Seems fair to me.
Would you approve if someone one day decided he hates you, but wants your home for himself just because he thinks he is more important than you are?
God is punishment for some. And life to others. Wherever your heart is there is you home. And there you must make your bed.
Heneni
Eternal punishment means being eternally obstinate and offended and disgusted with god.
God will not drag anybody kicking and screaming into heaven.
Satan for one...has gone over to the darkside since he could not stand to be in the presence of god. Having seen his own glory he prefered himself above god, and therefore was rightly given the boot. If he does not want to be in the presence of god then he did not have to be. He did not have the right to take heaven as his own because he was more impressed with himself than with god. And so he has his own domain.
And likewise anybody that is offended by god, loves themselves more than him has no claim on his home.
Seems fair to me.
Would you approve if someone one day decided he hates you, but wants your home for himself just because he thinks he is more important than you are?
God is punishment for some. And life to others. Wherever your heart is there is you home. And there you must make your bed.
Heneni
The only eternal punishment is Death, in that the spirit that is the 'I Am' which had developed in the animal body after it was born, which spirit was imprinted onto the eternal soul or life force of which all are partakers, and after the first death which is that of the body that returns to the material from which it was created, will either be accepted by the one mind which is the compilation of all minds that develop in the eternal and boundless Cosmic body, or will be wiped off the eternal tape of life or soul, which is the divine animating principle that pervades all within the living Cosmic body, to be forever forgotten, forever more, non-existent, in the forward flow of time, in the evolution of the mind that is God, which is made manifest as the eternal and boundless Cosmic body. For the wages of sin is death, not 'Eternal Life' as you have suggested.
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HoldemDB9
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Seems fair to me. Shame almost every Christian I've ever cam across does not believe this.
Anti-Pie
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How come there isn't anything for those who don't want in on this? Why must those who don't want to take a part in the God vs. Lucifer burn for all eternally? Can't we just go somewhere away from it both? Without the presence of God and without eternal punishment? I honestly wish for something in between, Like earth. Really I would rather live on earth for eternity then for eternity of bliss or punishment.
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I like me Norse Mythology....
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I like me Norse Mythology....
Here is the thing, a belief is a belief. A religion is nothing more than a belief and it's no more right than anything else. Nobody can tell anyone that there is a such thing as eternal hell because there is no proof to back it up. I don't believe in eternal hell or Satan..or even God really. I do believe in an afterlife/reincarnation (yes both). I have a story that happened that further explains why I am not religious, but believe in a world beyond this one:
My cousin had committed suicide years ago, she was literally dead. She is not a religious person and never was, in fact she was a down right "sinner" according to the bible. A good person that didn't always do good things and had A LOT of bad things happen to her in her life. After being dead for a few minutes she came back to life..nobody knew how but she did(I wasn't around at this time since she is older than me). There were no doctors reviving her or anything, she just woke up on her own while laying in a bed. Years after this happened she had told me what she experienced. She said that when she died a man (not 'Jesus' she just saw a figure of a man) was standing there and told her she had to go back. My cousin kept telling this man she didn't want to live anymore and to let her go with him. He said that she will go with him but it isn't her time yet. Wherever she was at that point, she claimed to have felt very happy and didn't want to leave. He made her go back to earth and that was when she woke up from being dead.
My point is, she is a supposed "sinner" who according to the bible would be in hell right now for her sins..not even including the sin of suicide. The man she saw was not angry, he wasn't going to punish her with eternal hell like many claim. He was peaceful and made her go back because it wasn't her time to die yet. This story is one of the reasons why I am not into organized religion. I am not going to buy into "if you do this and say that you're going to hell". She basically confirmed to me that there is no hell (unless earth is hell which is possible) and that regardless of her supposed 'sins' she is going to go to heaven. She just had to live here longer. To this day she is not religious but believes in an afterlife. Obviously the message she got when she died wasn't "READ THE BIBLE AND WORSHIP GOD OR I SHALL BANISH YOU TO THE PITS OF HELL!" She still doesn't read the bible but is confident she is going heaven I'm sure, based on what she went through.I think if there was some type of eternal punishment aka hell..she would have been warned about it and been told to change her ways. That was never the message she got.
Believe in this or not that doesn't matter. Point is many people have opinions on what happens when you die. None of them are dead so they don't know what happens. If there is anyone to believe or listen to about what happens when you die...it would be someone who actually did die for a rather long time and came back to life.
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So, let me see if I've got this right: you believe in an after life, an after life being, a life after the death of the physical body in which you, the spirit=mind or godhead had developed. This of course must mean that you believe that you can exist for a period of time as a disembodied spirit, as you also believe in reincarnation which means that you believe that you, the disembodied spirit will be furnished with another body, which body could be anything from a worm to a brilliant star, this is not the same as being resurrected.
So you believe that we all become disembodied spirits who are waiting to be reincarnated into some form of body, but you did not explain whether some superior being will furnish that body for you, or whether you, the disembodied spirit simply grows a new body of your choice. But you do not believe that among all those spirits from all the different living species in the world, there has developed in the living universal body, one body of spirits which is far superior to all others and is Lord of all spirits, the Godhead or supreme personality that has developed within the living universal body; am I correct?
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I am going to try and reply as best as I can..it's difficult to explain.
I believe in an afterlife of the spirits. Basically I believe when you die you will enter the afterlife which is far more pleasant and peaceful than this life we're in now. I believe after we've lived a certain amount of lives (an equal amount we set for ourselves) we can chose to be reincarnated again or, if you want to just hang out in the afterlife you can do that as well. I think when we are spirits in the afterlife, we know that life is hard and sometimes downright painful.... but we chose to be reincarnated anyway to gain the experience of living all these different lives. Plus It doesn't matter if the life you're entering is painful because you know at the time you will come right back to the afterlife when you die and be happy again.
As far as there being a God..no I don't believe so. I am not saying it isn't possible because I am not narrow minded in that way. I am saying that if people can believe in a supernatural being creating the earth and everything in between...then why isn't it just as possible that the creators of life are ourselves? Nobody knows how 'God' appeared they always say "he just was". Maybe we as spirits "just were" and there was no God to begin with.
I don't believe in eternal punishment at all. Say if we all live 100 lives and that is the limit we set for ourselves. All of us as individual spirits are different and have lived as different people in different times/places.... but we all have felt the same amount of pain, anger, sadness, happiness, love and everything in between. We have also caused the same amount of pain, sadness, happiness etc. So everything balances out in the end. A person who does bad in this life may have be a victim of something bad in the next life. A person who lived a life of poverty in one life may then enter a life of a wealthy business person. That is why everyone is equal.
Oh and to answer one more thing, no I don't believe you can be reincarnated into a worm. lol. A human spirit remains a human spirit. Us as humans will only be reborn into another human. My beliefs come from various sources of information...so basically everything I believe in goes against every organized religion.
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I think there are many who deserve it... Anyone who wears nice clothes and attends a comfy auditorium, wearing their Sunday best while their pastors rake in the $$ and heap guilt and shame through condemning to hell! Sit by and watch it or participate in the WRONG judgmental attitude.... off to the hell you have imagined for others!!
Televangelists with their jets, big homes, pools all the while kids across the globe are starving so badly their skin is hanging scarily down from their bones... off to the hell that you "insinuated' they would go to for simply not believing in your god!
Basically anyone that harasses others with fear, shame, guilt, and/or hypocrisy to buy into their faith or else everlasting fire... then they should be met with that fate.
Only exception are those who wise up to the ridiculousness of it all and attempt to change their world that they are faced with right NOW.
I do MEAN to offend because is not life difficult enough as it is? And is it not full of opportunities to help w/out condemning those who are not like you to an everlasting fire that honestly does not exist?? Torment others in this life and personally you can be thankful I am not G.d.. or you would be forced to live another life (VERY EXTENDED, mind you) just for the sole purpose of being tormented by the ones you harassed... all the while starving.. at least! (though, I believe that when we die, we die!.. the tormentors get off WAY too easy IMHO).
Bullying is just as stupid if you are an adult of comfortable means sitting behind the empty walls of a church as it is for the 5th grader pushing around the 2nd graders just cuz he can! As for Hitler, I have to say that it was ironic the religion he used to launch his brutal campaign! Gives us something to think about, no?
Flame away... I have seen a lot of hate on this board more than most, in the name of religion! G.d is not a manipulation tool, ya know!
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Quote...blah782----Oh and to answer one more thing, no I don't believe you can be reincarnated into a worm. lol. A human spirit remains a human spirit.
Now let me get this straight, you believe that we may have created ourselves, and apparently we always were, having no beginning, we simply always was, but you don't mention what we were first, were we always human beings who die and become spirits to be RESURRECTED again as human beings, or were we always human spirits who become human beings only to throw off our mortal bodies, in order to hang around heaven all day.
Could you explain how you could possibly believe that while we were non-living entities and non-existent, we created life which included ourselves? And as you believe that the spirit that forms in the body of mankind or the body of man that is formed by the human spirit that remains forever a human spirit, can not evolve any further, indeed, according to your belief, never even evolved, could you tell me if you also believe that worms were always worm spirits which are resurrected as worms, were fish always fish spirits who are resurrected as fish, were birds always bird spirits which are resurrected as birds etc, etc ?
so basically everything I believe in goes against every organized religion.[/quote]
My dear friend, it would appear that everything you believe in goes against all beliefs and reasoning, whether they be 'Logical,' religious, scientific, etc, etc, etc.
Sorry I just can't help but laugh at you. You are coming off like such an ignorant as*h*le . The funniest thing is that you think my beliefs are ANY less credible than every other religion on earth. Newslflash: NO RELIGION THE FACE OF THE EARTH IS CREDIBLE! Being EVERY religion claims something different occurs when you die, and they are all going against what the other religions say... does that show a red flag to you? Just because words were written in a fictional book and titled "the bible", that somehow makes their beliefs ANY more factual/credible/understandable/reliable than mine? NO it doesn't. You cannot prove to me that what I believe isn't true can you? Thought not. Funny how it is acceptable for billions of people to believe in a magical man in the sky who sprinkles fairy dust and created the world, but my beliefs that our spirits created the world is just ludacris!! Because only an invisible man that nobody has seen, heard, or felt can create the world. That makes SO much more sense.
Bottom line-- I believe that human spirits always were and are what created the earth. That is NO more "insane" or "illogical" than believing 'God' created the world. We have no proof for either so why would one belief be somehow less logical than the other? Or is that your ignorance speaking? Judging from your ignorance, I'd say you're a Christian yes? See I can be an obnoxious ignorant person too. I wouldn't assume you're an atheist because most atheists believe every other belief other than human logic is the same nonsense. One belief isn't any less sensible than the other to most of them, which is at least respectable. It is much more understandable to say ALL beliefs outside of "nothing happens when you die" are crazy as opposed to picking and choosing which ones are more illogical than the other. Which is an illogical thing to do in itself being NO spiritual/ religious belief has any real credibility.
My beliefs came together through exploring various spiritual beliefs as well as personal experiences I have gone through in my life. It is what clicked for me. We were/are/always will be spirits, we went on earth and took physical form- and when we die we can CHOSE to stay in the afterlife or be reborn into another life. Religious people are too funny with thinking they somehow know more than anyone else when they know nothing but what they've been brainwashed to believe. At least my beliefs came through exploring DIFFERENT points of view and weren't forced down my throat.
The only logical religion is atheism, and it is only logical to the human mind while living on earth. Atheists don't believe in anything beyond life which can be seen as either very closed minded, or very logical to the living human beings mentality. Believe it or not, many people out there believe in an afterlife with no God being present. Look it up.
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Sorry I just can't help but laugh at you. quote...blah 782.
Laugh all you like dear friend, but your laughter is but an attempt to hide your own embarrassment.
Quote... blah782----You cannot prove to me that what I believe isn't true can you? Thought not.
Do you make a habit of talking to yourself, and answering your own questions? The very fact that you believe that it may have been possible that we humans created life before life existed, proves that what you believe, is just as absurd as they who believe that the origin of all that is, was ever all wise and all knowing, never having had to have gained that experience from either the evolution of life or the involution of the ever expanding present.
Quote...blah 782---Just because words were written in a fictional book and titled "the bible", that somehow makes their beliefs ANY more factual/credible/ understandable/ reliable than mine? NO it doesn't.
You're talking to your self again, and answering your own questions, I suppose that's why you have come up with a belief system that only you could believe in.
Quote...blah 782---but my beliefs that our spirits created the world is just ludacris!
Glad to see that you agree that it is ludacrous for any one to believe that non-living spirits, could have created life.
Quote...blah782---Bottom line-- I believe that human spirits always were and are what created the earth.
Ah haa, so now we see that you do believe in a god, and he is the eternal spirit of man who always was, who is, and who always will be, having neither beginning nor end and the creator of all life before any living thing visible or invisible had ever existed.
Quote...blah782--- Funny how it is acceptable for billions of people to believe in a magical man in the sky who sprinkles fairy dust and created the world, but my beliefs that our spirits created the world is just ludacris!! Because only an invisible man that nobody has seen, heard, or felt can create the world. That makes SO much more sense.
And among those billions of people, you must include yourself, for this is the very belief that you have put forward, magical human spirits who existed before life was ever created, who always were and who always will be, sprinkled fairy dust and created the world in which those non-living entities would then create the life, which would include themselves, that would inhabit that world, that really makes so much sense, doesn't it? You will have noticed that I await your answer, rather than answering my own questions.
Quote... blah782---Bottom line-- I believe that human spirits always were and are what created the earth. That is NO more "insane" or "illogical" than believing 'God' created the world. We have no proof for either so why would one belief be somehow less logical than the other?
Of course your belief is no more "insane" or "illogical" than that which is believed by those of the same 'insane" and "illogical"" belief as you, as I have just pointed out.
Quote...blah782---My beliefs came together through exploring various spiritual beliefs as well as personal experiences I have gone through in my life. It is what clicked for me. We were/are/always will be spirits, we went on earth and took physical form- and when we die we can CHOSE to stay in the afterlife or be reborn into another life
Of course your belief has been gathered from the many and varying different denominations of the contradictory religions of the world, and I'll bet that you have cauliflower ears from bashing your head around in the trash cans of the world while gathering the rubbish from which you have formed your own personal religion which is but a conglomeration of many false beliefs.
God is knowable to all peoples of all races, religions and cultures, because what can be known about God is plain them, for God himself made it plain, ever since God created the world from the invisible singularity the he was as the infinitely dense and hot and infinitismally small primordial atom, which burst forth from the great abyss, and over aeons and billions of universal active cycles, was formed into a living universal body in which there developed a controlling mind or a Supreme Personality of Godhead of whom Mankind, Lord of Creatures is the prototype to he who is Lord of all within this universal body including all spiritual powers and principalities except for the immanent creator 'The Logos,' which is the eternal soul or life force of which all that the Alpha has become are partakers,the Logos, who is the divine animating principle which pervades the entire universal body. His invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature are clearly seen, for they are perceived in the creation itself, which is the visible manifestation of the invisible ever growing mind that is God, who is today as he was yesterday and will be into all eternity, for he is the only constant, in that he is constantly changing or evolving. As the wonderful Omar Khayyam has put it, "He is the Master whose secret presence through creations veins, running quick silver like eludes your pains; taking on all shapes from moon to cow, which shapes change and perish all, but he (The only true constant) remains.
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"Human being created life before life existed-*edit"*- I said we were all SPIRITS that created life and took human physical form. I NEVER said we lived on earth and THEN created earth. Learn to read you ignorant brainwashed hack. Ok so you believe this big God just existed and created everything. I believe that human spirits just existed and created everything. There is an equal amount of proof for both of these claims, yet you are convinced that you know anymore than anyone else.
I love how you avoid my statements because you know you're wrong. You can't prove me wrong, you can't prove yourself right. You have no proof that the lies you believe are what really happens so you skim through my post with sarcastic remarks to avoid the fact that YOUR RELIGION HAS JUST AS LITTLE EVIDENCE OF BEING TRUE AS WHAT I BELIEVE!! Admit it!!!
"God is knowable to all peoples of all races, religions and cultures, because what can be known about God is plain them, for God himself made it plain, ever since God created the world "
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OH THIS IS TOO MUCH!! You are not getting it are you? *edit*. Your proof that GOD created the world does not exist!!! THERE IS NO PROOF GOD CREATED THE WORLD!! There is no proof that there IS a God. So the fact that you think MY beliefs are impossible when YOU can't even give me one shred of FACTUAL evidence that God is even real........ further proves that you're *edit* You cannot act as if what anyone else believes can't be true unless YOU can prove what you believe is true.... and guess what? YOU CAN'T!! You're fighting a losing battle. At least I KNOW humans exist. So it isn't hard for me to believe that human beings are spirits in physical form. YOU believe in this superior being that OBVIOUSLY isn't here. There are humans walking around every day so it would be easier to grasp that humans are spirits in physical bodies. There is no GOD walking around here in a physical body is there? **waits for you to avoid my response with jokes again***
See, when people pray and nothing ever comes of it...it is personal proof that GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Being I believe all human spirits are equal and there IS no being above us, it makes sense that prayer would get you nowhere.
When people are raped, tortured, beaten starving and poor....YOU believe there is this superior loving being that is able to prevent it if he wanted to, but he just doesn't. Funny how this amazing being full of love does NOTHING to help people in severe pain. Which is a contradiction. He "loves everyone, we are all his children"..... yet he won't help anyone, won't answer them to prove his existence and lets innocent people get hurt ever day. Where as I believe, being we are all equal spirits on the same level...that would CERTAINLY explain why bad things happen to us and we have to fend for OURSELVES. Do your research, many people believe what I believe with a few small differences. That is the difference between organized religion and personal spiritual belief. One group is brainwashed, the other thinks for themselves and forms their own opinions based on what makes sense to them.
Hell, your views are 10 times more ridiculous than mine. You just make excuses for all the times "God" doesn't do a damn thing for people. He loves everyone, if you pray with confidence you shall receive, and all the other false statements made have been proven wrong. How many people pray and get no response? I'd say EVERYONE other than the brainwashed crazy people like you who will pretend to hear God's reply even though you know damn well it's all in your head.
I anxiously await your proof of God's existence. I really do. I can't wait for your reasoning as to why your beliefs are anything but fictional crap written by a man who probably suffered from mental illness far before medication was available.
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Yes you deserve eternal damnation ?
1 You ask a question you answer.
2 Ask a question thats be asked a million times before.
3 Don't answer the question and write a book.
4 Always use the same tired cliches in your answer or question.
5 Bore me to death.
Bad Day sorry :sorry1:
1 You ask a question you answer.
2 Ask a question thats be asked a million times before.
3 Don't answer the question and write a book.
4 Always use the same tired cliches in your answer or question.
5 Bore me to death.
Bad Day sorry :sorry1:
My, my, my, what an outburst of verbal abuse, Mentally ill, crap writing, Moronic, ignorant brainwashed hack, Brain washing victim, idiot,a brainwashed crazy person etc, what colourful language, but I wouldn’t have expected anything less, from someone who has put himself above all that is.
You will find nowhere in any of my threads where I have said that some Big all knowing all wise God who simply was all knowing and wise without having had to have gained his wisdom and insight from experience, as taught by some of the false religions of the world, of which your belief is but a distorted reflection, in that you seem to believe that human spirits always have existed and that they created the earth and life, and if as you have said, that they created life, you must believe that this occurred before life of anykind existed, before they lived and were no more than non-living entities.
No one is denying that a human being is a triad being, of body, soul and spirit, a living body in which a spirit develops from the information taken into that body through it senses, a body which is born blind, death, dumb, devoid of the senses of touch, taste and smell, cannot take in any information for a personality or spirit to evolve in the animal body, which malformed body would by nature soon die, but may be kept alive for a period of time, but no human spirit would every develop in that physical animal body, which is created and activated by the Logos who is the divine animating principle from which all things came into existence, by whom all things came into existence, and for whom all things exist.
The Logos which is the essential divine reality of the universe; the eternal and invisible spirit from which all being originates and to which all must return, the singularity that oscillates between periods of activity and periods of rest within the great Abyss where time and space are united as one, from which Black Hole that infinitely dense and hot, and infinitesimally small singularity which is the Logos, will burst forth once more to become the resurrection or awakening of the old world, which will continue to evolve by gathering information from its interaction with all that it becomes.
I don’t expect for one moment that you would believe that the life that is known to exist and the as yet myriads of unknown life forms that must be out there in the Cosmos, wherein Mankind was the first born intellect of the creation, has evolved in just one period of universal activity. There have been many, many universes which oscillate between visible multi celled material bodies, into invisible singularities, then back into material bodies The nights and days of Brahma=Logos, are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day’ that is a period of universal activity, which is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period of universal rest, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity, and such are the six days of creation and the seventh day of rest, which rest, we can still enter as revealed in the Bible.
Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.
Of course it would be easier to see some magic working man as God on earth, you only have to look at the ignorant millions who have been deceived by Bhagavan Sri sathya Sai Baba.
The only reason that humans are walking around in the earth, which humans are but one of the myriad of life forms on this earth, which is but a speck of fly dropping in an insignificant solar system within this Milky Way Galaxy that is but one Galaxy of the uncountable trillions within the eternal and boundless Cosmos, which you believe was created by the spirits of human beings, which eternal Cosmos is in fact the mind that is God, which has been made manifest as a physical body by the senses of these human bodies which have developed in the ever evolving mind that is God, is because humans, as with all that exists are nothing but swirling patterns in the boundless cloud of wave particles that is the ever evolving mind that is God.
All that exists in this physical cosmic body is created from invisible molecules, which were formed by the gathering together of invisible atoms, which were formed by the gathering together of sub-atomic particles, which are formed from the quantum of all that exists. Man, who is the first species to have formed within the living universal body, as the first of all the species that preceded him over which he has gained dominion, with the capability of comprehending the invisible “I AM’ which had developed in that species which is the image of God. And your body which is created and activated by the divine animating principle(Soul=life-force) which pervades and activates the entire living universal body, began as a single cell which divided into two, each cell occupying different positions in space and therefore in time, as no two objects can occupy the same position in time, the further that an object is away from you, the further back in time do you observe it, some of those stars that you believe were created by the spirits of human beings and which you gaze at in the night sky, are billions and billions of light years away from you, and you see them as they are billions and billions of years in your past, they may not even exist in your position in time, but if they exploded a billion years ago, you will never see it, because you will have been dead for billions of years, by the time the light of that explosion reaches the earth upon which human being were formed.
Wave particles or photons which are the quantum of electromagnetic energy, and which are in reality not particles at all, having zero mass and no electric charge, but carrying angular and linear momentum, and are believed to be the discrete elementary particles from which all that exists is formed. There is nothing but a swirling, vibrating, dancing, boundless cloud of invisible particles which all occupy different positions in space and time, which your created brain perceives as this eternal and ever evolving Cosmos. In reality there is no such thing as sound, a hammer strike a rock and silent vibrating waves travel outward from the impact, those waves enter your ear and strike your eardrum and are then converted to electric pulses that your brain translates to that which you the spirit which is developing within that human body, perceive as sound. The molecules that make up the scented aroma of a flower have no smell, they are taken into your created nostrils where the molecular combination is analysed, which analysis is sent to the brain as an electric pulse where it is translated as a sweet aromatic scent, take away the eyes and all perception of form, colour and distance cease to exist etc, etc, in other words, without the created sences the tangible and visible universe cannot exist, but the boundless cloud of swirling patterns of wave particles which is the evolving mind that is God, remains, shinning in the darkness which comprehends it not.
You will find nowhere in any of my threads where I have said that some Big all knowing all wise God who simply was all knowing and wise without having had to have gained his wisdom and insight from experience, as taught by some of the false religions of the world, of which your belief is but a distorted reflection, in that you seem to believe that human spirits always have existed and that they created the earth and life, and if as you have said, that they created life, you must believe that this occurred before life of anykind existed, before they lived and were no more than non-living entities.
No one is denying that a human being is a triad being, of body, soul and spirit, a living body in which a spirit develops from the information taken into that body through it senses, a body which is born blind, death, dumb, devoid of the senses of touch, taste and smell, cannot take in any information for a personality or spirit to evolve in the animal body, which malformed body would by nature soon die, but may be kept alive for a period of time, but no human spirit would every develop in that physical animal body, which is created and activated by the Logos who is the divine animating principle from which all things came into existence, by whom all things came into existence, and for whom all things exist.
The Logos which is the essential divine reality of the universe; the eternal and invisible spirit from which all being originates and to which all must return, the singularity that oscillates between periods of activity and periods of rest within the great Abyss where time and space are united as one, from which Black Hole that infinitely dense and hot, and infinitesimally small singularity which is the Logos, will burst forth once more to become the resurrection or awakening of the old world, which will continue to evolve by gathering information from its interaction with all that it becomes.
I don’t expect for one moment that you would believe that the life that is known to exist and the as yet myriads of unknown life forms that must be out there in the Cosmos, wherein Mankind was the first born intellect of the creation, has evolved in just one period of universal activity. There have been many, many universes which oscillate between visible multi celled material bodies, into invisible singularities, then back into material bodies The nights and days of Brahma=Logos, are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day’ that is a period of universal activity, which is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period of universal rest, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity, and such are the six days of creation and the seventh day of rest, which rest, we can still enter as revealed in the Bible.
Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.
Of course it would be easier to see some magic working man as God on earth, you only have to look at the ignorant millions who have been deceived by Bhagavan Sri sathya Sai Baba.
The only reason that humans are walking around in the earth, which humans are but one of the myriad of life forms on this earth, which is but a speck of fly dropping in an insignificant solar system within this Milky Way Galaxy that is but one Galaxy of the uncountable trillions within the eternal and boundless Cosmos, which you believe was created by the spirits of human beings, which eternal Cosmos is in fact the mind that is God, which has been made manifest as a physical body by the senses of these human bodies which have developed in the ever evolving mind that is God, is because humans, as with all that exists are nothing but swirling patterns in the boundless cloud of wave particles that is the ever evolving mind that is God.
All that exists in this physical cosmic body is created from invisible molecules, which were formed by the gathering together of invisible atoms, which were formed by the gathering together of sub-atomic particles, which are formed from the quantum of all that exists. Man, who is the first species to have formed within the living universal body, as the first of all the species that preceded him over which he has gained dominion, with the capability of comprehending the invisible “I AM’ which had developed in that species which is the image of God. And your body which is created and activated by the divine animating principle(Soul=life-force) which pervades and activates the entire living universal body, began as a single cell which divided into two, each cell occupying different positions in space and therefore in time, as no two objects can occupy the same position in time, the further that an object is away from you, the further back in time do you observe it, some of those stars that you believe were created by the spirits of human beings and which you gaze at in the night sky, are billions and billions of light years away from you, and you see them as they are billions and billions of years in your past, they may not even exist in your position in time, but if they exploded a billion years ago, you will never see it, because you will have been dead for billions of years, by the time the light of that explosion reaches the earth upon which human being were formed.
Wave particles or photons which are the quantum of electromagnetic energy, and which are in reality not particles at all, having zero mass and no electric charge, but carrying angular and linear momentum, and are believed to be the discrete elementary particles from which all that exists is formed. There is nothing but a swirling, vibrating, dancing, boundless cloud of invisible particles which all occupy different positions in space and time, which your created brain perceives as this eternal and ever evolving Cosmos. In reality there is no such thing as sound, a hammer strike a rock and silent vibrating waves travel outward from the impact, those waves enter your ear and strike your eardrum and are then converted to electric pulses that your brain translates to that which you the spirit which is developing within that human body, perceive as sound. The molecules that make up the scented aroma of a flower have no smell, they are taken into your created nostrils where the molecular combination is analysed, which analysis is sent to the brain as an electric pulse where it is translated as a sweet aromatic scent, take away the eyes and all perception of form, colour and distance cease to exist etc, etc, in other words, without the created sences the tangible and visible universe cannot exist, but the boundless cloud of swirling patterns of wave particles which is the evolving mind that is God, remains, shinning in the darkness which comprehends it not.
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