How can Christians not condemn homosexual behavior?

[waitasec]

So many people miss the point entirely - at least what the point is to many Christians (and many others with moral codes they try to live by).

There's a huge difference between tolerance in the name of allowing personal freedoms, and selling out your own moral code.

i think those who believe they are to follow the bible literally put christians in that position. i'm not complaining when a christian speaks up against intolerant behavior...
there's this underlying notion, for a significant group of christians, that when a society begins to tolerate homosexuals, it's a way of compromising their christian values...and god will punish that society. i can't remember how many times sodom and gomorrah comes up

 

[idav]

So many people miss the point entirely - at least what the point is to many Christians (and many others with moral codes they try to live by).

There's a huge difference between tolerance in the name of allowing personal freedoms, and selling out your own moral code.

It makes a difference if people think same sex marriage isn't valid in the eyes of god. When it comes to religious they want god to be tolerant.

 

[Road Warrior]

Once again I am going to repeat an earlier post in this thread. A Christian can't win in this argument- if a Christian believes that being a homosexual is a sin, he or she hates (although I never did see how that is necessarily hate). If a Christians doesn't believe a homosexual is sinning, it is believed that he or she is not following his or her religion correctly.
My solution- stop debating, it is going absolutely nowhere.

Isn't there room in there for the idea that it's up to God to judge sin and that a Christian should pay more attention to their own conduct before judging others? Christians don't have to condone homosexuals. All they should do is tolerate a secular government which treats all of its citizens equally in the eyes of the law.

 

[waitasec]

Isn't there room in there for the idea that it's up to God to judge sin and that a Christian should pay more attention to their own conduct before judging others? Christians don't have to condone homosexuals. All they should do is tolerate a secular government which treats all of its citizens equally in the eyes of the law.

it should work that way
but it doesn't work that way
it hasn't worked that way
and it won't work out that way...ever.


religion speaks for itself...it doesn't work. you know why...because people are far from perfect

 

[Road Warrior]

it should work that way
but it doesn't work that way
it hasn't worked that way
and it won't work out that way...ever.

Maybe, according to the Church of the Holy Pessimist, but I not only know it has worked that way before, but have faith it continue to do so.

 

[waitasec]

Maybe, according to the Church of the Holy Pessimist, but I not only know it has worked that way before, but have faith it continue to do so.

can you tell me when.

in the history of history we are reminded of religions dirty laundry list...

there has never ever been a 1000 yr reign of peace with any religion ever.

 

[Road Warrior]

can you tell me when.

in the history of history we are reminded of religions dirty laundry list...

there has never ever been a 1000 yr reign of peace with any religion ever.

Move goal posts much? First it was "it hasn't worked that way and it won't work out that way...ever." and now I must come up with a 1000 year reign of peace to satisfy you? Your hate of religion and the religious runs deep, my friend. Hate like that will eat at you.

 

[waitasec]

Move goal posts much? First it was "it hasn't worked that way and it won't work out that way...ever." and now I must come up with a 1000 year reign of peace to satisfy you? Your hate of religion and the religious runs deep, my friend. Hate like that will eat at you.

quick english lesson...
"has never ever been" and "hasn't" means the past....

 

[waitasec]

Hate like that will eat at you.

thank you for your concern...but really i don't hate...anyone
but....
"i'm as mad as hell and i'm not going to take this anymore!!!"

 

[Road Warrior]

quick english lesson...
"has never ever been" and "hasn't" means the past....

Good to know you understand your own writings.

 

[Road Warrior]

thank you for your concern...but really i don't hate...anyone
but....
"i'm as mad as hell and i'm not going to take this anymore!!!"

Yes, you've stated your hate and I completely agree you seem mad as hell and will take action on it. You never did answer me why you were so angry and hateful. What happened to you to generate all of these negative emotions?

 

[waitasec]

Yes, you've stated your hate and I completely agree you seem mad as hell and will take action on it. You never did answer me why you were so angry and hateful. What happened to you to generate all of these negative emotions?

lets just say that i made choices in life based on being indoctrinated from birth and these choices are kicking me in the ***

 

[Road Warrior]

Mysterious. If you don't like your current situation, change it. "Life is too short" as we've discussed on another thread.

 

[waitasec]

Mysterious. If you don't like your current situation, change it. "Life is too short" as we've discussed on another thread.

you are right...i'm going through process of change...it is a delicate matter....

 

[Road Warrior]

you are right...i'm going through process of change...it is a delicate matter....

I'm sure it isn't easy. Change is hard. I've gone through change kicking and dragging and found that, if it has to happen, I might as well get it over with, so I stop fighting it. Now, if the change doesn't have to happen, that's a different matter.

Best wishes in the near and far future.

 

[waitasec]

I'm sure it isn't easy. Change is hard. I've gone through change kicking and dragging and found that, if it has to happen, I might as well get it over with, so I stop fighting it. Now, if the change doesn't have to happen, that's a different matter.

Best wishes in the near and far future.

thank you....

 

[Kathryn]

It makes a difference if people think same sex marriage isn't valid in the eyes of god. When it comes to religious they want god to be tolerant.

Does it make a difference if they believe this but also believe in allowing others the right to determine that themselves?

 

[Road Warrior]

Does it make a difference if they believe this but also believe in allowing others the right to determine that themselves?

Let's hope it does because that's exactly how I believe. It's what free will is all about.

 

[sojourner]

Let's hope it does because that's exactly how I believe. It's what free will is all about.

Doesn't that position really make it "cheap will," not free will? Because if God doesn't condone it, it's still sinful and the church is bound to disallow it. The only way this works is if
1) Homosexuality is seen as normal
2) All human beings, regardless of orientation are allowed full access
3) God condones what is "normal" for human beings.

 

[Kathryn]

Doesn't that position really make it "cheap will," not free will? Because if God doesn't condone it, it's still sinful and the church is bound to disallow it. The only way this works is if
1) Homosexuality is seen as normal
2) All human beings, regardless of orientation are allowed full access
3) God condones what is "normal" for human beings.

I don't see it this way at all. As a Christian and a libertarian I don't see a problem at all with allowing others the freedom to choose to do things that I may not believe are morally sound. I am responsible for my own decisions and actions - no one else's (other than minor children but that's a whole other subject!).