Skwim
Veteran Member
Nope, only the countless references to pronouncements and guiding words in the NT uttered by those other than Jesus. When it comes to the NT it seems most Christians put stock in more than just what Jesus said.
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How can Christians not condemn homosexual behavior?
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Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Skwim
Veteran Member
Only when addressing posts made by those who accept OT writings OR those who never qualified their position as being based only on the NT. If you doubt me go back and take a look. If they said stuff like "The Bible says . . . ." and not "The New Testament says . . . ." I felt free to use the whole Bible: both testaments.NT? Dude, you've been quoting the OT like it was Gospel!
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Sorry, but all I saw was you quoting the OT.....a lot!
I know there are homophobic "Christians" who do the same thing, but I'm not talking about them. Just you.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
God doesn't depend on such. Neither do we. But the thread's premise depends upon "biblical injunction."
Perhaps you'd be better off asking Skwim why he holds Xtians to only such injunctions.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
In the ancient Near East, honor and shame were embedded in sexual identity. Men embodied honor, women embodied shame. The question was, "why are there no injunctions against lesbian sex?" At the time the injunctions were given, women were believed to embody shame. In a patriarchal society, therefore, men brought honor to the whole family, so the injunction was against men acting shamefully.shame? what shame are you talking about?
are you saying women today are not bound to act honorably?
This thread is proof that we just can't please everyone (All people). If a Christian is a homophobe, people get angry, and if you say you are not a homophobe, people ask you "why not? You should be".
Rick Nelson said it best in Garden Party "Well, it's all right now...I've learned my lesson well...You see, you can't please everyone... So you gotta please yourself" (Only to last line I add- and God).
Rick Nelson said it best in Garden Party "Well, it's all right now...I've learned my lesson well...You see, you can't please everyone... So you gotta please yourself" (Only to last line I add- and God).
waitasec
Veteran Member
God doesn't depend on such. Neither do we. But the thread's premise depends upon "biblical injunction."
Perhaps you'd be better off asking Skwim why he holds Xtians to only such injunctions.
the bible doesn't have authoritative power?
waitasec
Veteran Member
don't forget, you interjected into my discourse with Nakosis...
chill out.
romans 1
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, ...
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
are you going to tell me when preachers blame homosexuals for natural disasters, like katrina, it's not because of this?
who wants to be guilty by association in the eyes of god almighty? those christians that are allowing or condoning same sex marriages are among those who "suppress the truth by their wickedness"
this is why religious homophobes are subjecting homosexuals to their religious beliefs.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
This thread is proof that we just can't please everyone (All people). If a Christian is a homophobe, people get angry, and if you say you are not a homophobe, people ask you "why not? You should be".
Agreed. It seems like some people aren't happy unless they are complaining about something. My ex was a regular "Miss Doom and Gloom". She loved to be miserable. I could never figure out why. Some people are just born that way I guess.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Paul condemns ALL sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman throughout all of his writings. Most Christians know this.
Chisti
Active Member
Imagine how Muslims feel when Christians constantly tell them something similar.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Not that much.
waitasec
Veteran Member
so then why, i'm not saying you do this, would there be christians that would keep marriage out of reach for homosexuals?
does't make sense.
besides homosexuality is much mode than sex...it is a preference
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waitasec
Veteran Member
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Most cultures historically have defined marriage as between male and female. In fact, the vast majority of them. There is no precedent in the OT or NT of marriage between people of the same sex, nor is there a historical precedent.
Like I said, I am in favor of allowing gays to marry legally. But being in favor of allowing them the right doesn't mean that I agree that it's a moral or wise decision on the parts of individuals - it's not my place to impose my idea of "moral or right" on consenting adults. I am also in favor of legalizing marijuana and prostitution. It's a matter of civil rights to me - not morality.
waitasec
Veteran Member
and god's judgement on a society that would support gay marriages has nothing to do with it?
i would argue that in the OT marriage consisted of more than one wife....
i'm curious to see how one reconciles the marriage bed with 2 women not an act of homosexuality...
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waitasec
Veteran Member
at the end of the day...the court of public opinion is what matters
and what concerns me most are the children who are put in a position that would cause them to feel shameful about their very being
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you think being a homosexual is a moral issue...and that "opinion" that the general public holds weighs heavy on some...to the point of depression and worse.
you are right. it isn't your place to impose your idea of moral or right...
i wonder though, if your child had this inclination...'cause we aren't talking about sex out side of marriage, as one's sexuality is not defined by who they are having sex with...would you try to "straighten" them out?
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People make a big deal out of what others do. Most marriages end in divorce. I say let the same sex couples share in the misery of marriage like the rest of us.
I've hung out with enough queers to know this is not just a sexual preference like it is some choice between a blonde and a red head. They are born the way they are and that is something they need to ask their maker. God, if you did not what me to be queer, why did you make me this way?
This is why I do not judge others. For one, it's not my job. I am commanded to love my neighbor. The Bible does not say, love your neighbor unless they are queer.
I agree with Kathryn, this is not a religious issue, this is a social issue. Everyone should have the same rights. Let freedom ring!
I've hung out with enough queers to know this is not just a sexual preference like it is some choice between a blonde and a red head. They are born the way they are and that is something they need to ask their maker. God, if you did not what me to be queer, why did you make me this way?
This is why I do not judge others. For one, it's not my job. I am commanded to love my neighbor. The Bible does not say, love your neighbor unless they are queer.
I agree with Kathryn, this is not a religious issue, this is a social issue. Everyone should have the same rights. Let freedom ring!