I will never understand why he just don´t leaves the ones who refuse to follow to make it on their own instead of condemning them to hell.Just because He [is willing to] condemn people to hell doesn't mean He doesn't love them.
& it's more than just believing in God. It's about following Him and living a life He would be proud of.
His love is (literally) out of this world.
It is given to everyone.
But if you don't believe in Him, or if you believe but refuse to follow, you're going to go to Hell.
But He still loves you, and it breaks His heart when you can't join Him.
Just my point of view
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How Can God's Love Be Unconditional?
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hindupridemn
Defender of the Truth
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
Very good question. Although I'd be more specific and ask how the christian god could do this, as judiasm does not have a hell so the usuage of the abrahamic god is exagerted here.
Amill
Apikoros
speaking hypothetically
That still doesn't explain his decision to send people to hell after they fail to believe in him. You act as if he doesn't want to send people to hell. If he didn't want to send nonbelievers who die to hell, he wouldn't send them there. He came up with hell, he decided who goes there, he wants certain people to go there. Sure, maybe he gets more pleasure from people believing in him, but there still must be a reason for sending all the others to be tortured for eternity. He wants people who die without believing in him to be tortured for eternity. Otherwise he wouldn't do it. There's no love in that, he doesn't shed a tear.
chinu
chinu
When Love (god) itself becomes the condition to love "God" , than it is called as "Unconditional love". _/\_
Chinu
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
You are talking about the athropomorphic god of Christianity and not the true God of Abraham. The Abrahamic God does not condemn anyone to hell for not believing in him. Whether we believe in Him or not, it makes no difference to Him. Then, there is no such a thing as Hell for one to be condemned to. Hell could be what we cause to ourselves and to others here on earth. And God's Love is unconditional because He operates through the laws of nature. We are the ones whose claim of love is condiional.
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doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Well, technically speaking, they condemn themselves to hell by judging themselves and others and creating separation from "God."
Luminous
non-existential luminary
As is Mara's.
Good points! I stand corrected. Although, to be sure, it could be argued that any religion which posits a god separate from man has thereby created hell.
Levite
Higher and Higher
Excellent question. One reason among many, I believe, why Judaism has no official doctrine of hell, and, historically, most Jews have not chosen to believe in anything analogous.
The concept of a God who would condemn anyone to torture for all eternity (not just at all, not just for some time, but for more than the lifetime of the universe!) seems just irreconcilable with the notion of a good God-- even an imperfectly good God.
That said, I do think it's fair to point out that unconditional love is not the same thing as unconditional approval. One can love another unconditionally, and still come up with times where one can disapprove of the other, and even need to enforce consequences for their actions.
Excellent post!
openyourmind
Active Member
I can't believe this is even a question. God doesn't condemn you to hell. It is man that condemns himself. Just as in life the choice to love him is yours. If you haven't accepted him in life what makes you think any one would accept him in there death. I'll put it this way, if you love a person with all your heart and give them everything they ask for and they still chose not to love you back and wish not to be with you. There isn't anyway you can force them to change thier mind. You can only hope they will come back someday. If thier death comes first and they call for your company if you truely love them you would be there. But, let's be honest if that is the only time they called you then you know they don't really love you, they just don't want to die alone. In there heart they still know they are alone and it is by there choice not yours. God always loves he's waiting for you to love him back!
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
But there is if you have an absolutely flawless understanding of psychology.
openyourmind
Active Member
You can attempt to lead them into action and even predict thier behavior. Which means they are tricked into accepting you and do you want someone that you are controling to accept you?
McBell
Unbound
and thus the meme continues.
openyourmind
Active Member
Meme continues?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Try and distinguish trickery by God and influence by a human. I don't think you can, except by degree. We are all influenced by the world around us, and psychology only allows you to have a greater influence.