How can one put so much stock in the Bible?

[Bware]

Perhaps because some of us in fact know?

Noone knows. You can tell yourself and everyone else what you "know" but at the end of the day none of us have died and shaken God's hand.

 

[Mr Cheese]

When the Temple stands again (may it be soon), sacrifices will continue to be offered. Until that time, the Jewish people are unable to offer the sacrifices that are found within their laws.

As to the other two verses, it's simply talking about taking responsibility for your property. While people are not put to death (as the Temple is required for that), a person can still be held responsible for what they do. If you have an animal (a dog even) that bites someone, then the dog is to be put to death (In case you didn't know, in California, if your dog bites someone then your dog is put down). Suppose that the dog was not put to death the first time, but the owner was warned that they should control their dog and the dog does it again. Then the owner should be made to pay for his negligence.

Simply put, if one owns property or animals and there is something that can be hazardous to other people, then the hazard must be removed. If the owner is told to remove the hazard, and doesn't, and as a result someone dies, then the owner should be held responsible. In modern times, that could be the same as charging the owner with criminally negligent homicide. Or manslaughter.

:sarcastic so the Jews are going to re-erect the holy temple to God...
Which will enable them to kill people

:sarcastic uh.....

And people wonder why people are anti semetic:sarcastic

 

[TheKnight]

:sarcastic so the Jews are going to re-erect the holy temple to God...
Which will enable them to kill people

:sarcastic uh.....

And people wonder why people are anti semetic:sarcastic

What's wrong with having a death penalty?

 

[Mr Cheese]

What's wrong with having a death penalty?

oh lots of things............which is why is has been banned in almost every country in the world

I was thinkign more that you are proposing that the Jews build a temple to God
which will enalbe them to Kill people............ Its barbaric and uh...dedicatign a temple to God, the divine...and using it to kill people

Good grief

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

:sarcastic so the Jews are going to re-erect the holy temple to God...
Which will enable them to kill people
And people wonder why people are anti semetic:sarcastic

The only antisemitic drivel I see here is yours.

 

[Bware]

If you are of the belief that there is really no purpose in life, that all we see from a naturalistic paradigm is all there is, then I truly see where your coming from. If your someone who is of the belief that an almighty God can intervene in a natural world, then the people, places, things and events of the Old and New Testament are plausible. To a large extent, the book that you so easily ridicule and discredit has withstood the test of time, in many areas has been bolstered by archeology and is a powerful resource for many millions around the world. The precision within the stories represented within the Bible do not follow the pattern of a liteary work that could easily be identified as legend and/or fiction. Your view is your opinion, but it is anecdotal at best.

I never said there is no purpose in life or that I don't believe in A God. And I think you misunderstand me. I said I don't believe much of the bible. The reason for this is that MOST, not all, but most of the bible is filled with unimaginable tales that just didn't happen. Why should I put stock in a book that is mostly filled with fables to teach me morals and lessons? I can get morals and lessons from other places rather than devoting my life into trying to believe in something that I never can. I have no problem with anyone who wants to believe it, I just don't understand how a reasonable adult can believe that water can magically change to wine or that someone can magically touch a blindman and make him see or any of the other miraculous things that are in there. Do those same people believe that superman existed? Or Harry Potter? I mean Harry for that matter can do similar feats.

 

[TheKnight]

oh lots of things............which is why is has been banned in almost every country in the world

I was thinkign more that you are proposing that the Jews build a temple to God
which will enalbe them to Kill people............ Its barbaric and uh...dedicatign a temple to God, the divine...and using it to kill people

Good grief

1. There is nothing wrong with utilizing the death penalty to punish crimes that warrant it.

2. Soemone being executed of a capital crime is not executed in the Temple. The Sanhedrin (which is the only court that can administer the death penalty in Jewish law) was and will be located at the Temple.

3. "Using the divine to kill people"....let's not forget that it is the divine that dictates that for certain crimes a person loses his/her life.

 

[Mr Cheese]

The only antisemitic drivel I see here is yours.

You think it is "cool" that the temple be rebuilt, which will enable peopel to be put to death?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

What's wrong with having a death penalty?

Because no justice system is perfect. Any system which has employed the death penalty, has inevitably killed a certain percentage of innocent people.

 

[TheKnight]

Because no justice system is perfect. Any system which has employed the death penalty, has inevitably killed a certain percentage of innocent people.

I agree. Which is why the standards for executing someone in Jewish law make it almost impossible to execute someone for a violation of the law.

 

[Mr Cheese]

1. There is nothing wrong with utilizing the death penalty to punish crimes that warrant it.

2. Soemone being executed of a capital crime is not executed in the Temple. The Sanhedrin (which is the only court that can administer the death penalty in Jewish law) was and will be located at the Temple.

3. "Using the divine to kill people"....let's not forget that it is the divine that dictates that for certain crimes a person loses his/her life.

You agree that we should kill people for crimes huh?

Yes, but you are saying that once a nice magnificent temple a glory to god is built.... You can kill people.

Praise God, thanks God.... now I can shoot, stone, lethaly inject, cut throat of...people to death

:sarcastic geez.... I am so glad I am not a religious Jew, and Just a Jew...

 

[Bware]

By the same token you have to wonder how people take any stock in biographical works. If somebody else had to write down the accounts of your life, they would have had to atleast known you, or the biography would have no credibility. The bible has weight for me, because it was written by people who knew god. Not just one person, but many over many centuries. Now that in itself would not be good enough, because you could argue that they only wrote down their interpretation of god, and they did not get it right. However, when millions of christians come to know god as being exactly the same one as described in the bible, you have to ask yourself, can all of them be wrong?

"People are stupid, they will believe anything because they think it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true." If the Christian church had originally described that Jesus was a woman who gave birth to a unicorn and preached it to millions for years and years, then people would believe it. On the same note if the gospel of Thomas or the Gnostic gospels were still in the bible, then the Christian religion as it is today would be vastly different. The Christian religion is like a business, in order to get people coming to the Church they conveniently took different parts of Paganism and various other religions, changed them around a bit and incorporated them to bring people around. Do you actually believe Christ was born on Dec 25th? Or that Halloween is actually an evil holiday?

 

[Mr Cheese]

I agree. Which is why the standards for executing someone in Jewish law make it almost impossible to execute someone for a violation of the law.

But when the temple is built...

It will be cool

we can comense killing...right?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You think it is "cool" that the temple be rebuilt, which will enable peopel to be put to death?

Why do you babble so?

 

[Mr Cheese]

Why do you babble so?

you think its babble huh?

To me this is new news....

That my fellow Jews, deluded or not deluded as they may be...

wish to erect a holy temple to God

which will enable the killing of people



I guess this isnt news to you

geez....

The idea of the Shekinah leaving the jews...is ringing in my ears...

 

[TheKnight]

You agree that we should kill people for crimes huh?

Certain crimes, yes.

Yes, but you are saying that once a nice magnificent temple a glory to god is built.... You can kill people.

It's not because of the Temple that we can kill people, it's because of the fact that the building of the Temple will mean the re-establishment of the Sanhedrin.

But when the temple is built...

It will be cool

we can comense killing...right?

Cool? Have I ever said that killing people is cool? The death of a human being (under any circumstance) is a tragedy. It's not cool, I'd rather it not have to ever happen. But I'm not going to ignore the fact that sometimes it's necessary.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Certain crimes, yes.


It's not because of the Temple that we can kill people, it's because of the fact that the building of the Temple will mean the re-establishment of the Sanhedrin.




Cool? Have I ever said that killing people is cool? The death of a human being (under any circumstance) is a tragedy. It's not cool, I'd rather it not have to ever happen. But I'm not going to ignore the fact that sometimes it's necessary.

when is it neccessary?

You like to follow Jewish laws

Should we be stoning to death sinners once the temple is rebuilt?

 

[TheKnight]

:sarcastic so the Jews are going to re-erect the holy temple to God...
Which will enable them to kill people

I just realized this, but I didn't even say that the building of the Temple will allow us to kill poeple. I didn't even hint at it in my post.

My mention of the Temple being rebuilt was in reference to sacrifices...

 

[Heneni]

"People are stupid, they will believe anything because they think it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true." If the Christian church had originally described that Jesus was a woman who gave birth to a unicorn and preached it to millions for years and years, then people would believe it. On the same note if the gospel of Thomas or the Gnostic gospels were still in the bible, then the Christian religion as it is today would be vastly different. The Christian religion is like a business, in order to get people coming to the Church they conveniently took different parts of Paganism and various other religions, changed them around a bit and incorporated them to bring people around. Do you actually believe Christ was born on Dec 25th? Or that Halloween is actually an evil holiday?

Stupid is tossing a book away and thinking that would mean god has dissapeared.

 

[TheKnight]

when is it neccessary?

When a person is unwilling to follow the law and is a danger to society by their disobedience to it.

Should we be stoning to death sinners once the temple is rebuilt?

Only those who have been lawfully convicted of a capital crime should be subject to the death penalty.