How can one put so much stock in the Bible?

[TheKnight]

The primary purpose of the Temple is the glorification of God. Part of glorifying Him, indeed part of the law itself, is the execution of justice. Why should you care about the Temple if you don't care about the Law which is what makes the Temple valuable?

 

[Bware]

The bible is full of fallacies....yeh...ok. I'm just guessing here...but you actually have found this 'god' of yours to be different to the bible, and therefore the bible must therefore 'go'. And im saying unless the god you have found is the same as the one in the book, you have not found the real god at all. WHY? Because the bible was written by people who knew god. What makes you so special to throw that away? Because you know him to be something else? Because there are contradictions in the bible you feel that god is contradicting?

EDIT: You sure you are agnostic?

Heneni

That's exactly it though, you don't KNOW for sure that those people met "god". You will respond with something like "oh yes I do KNOW, millions of people know so it has to be true" Look like I said, if the Christian church decided that Jesus was a woman who gave birth to a unicorn, then people will believe it. People want to believe in something, anything, we are all afraid of death in one way or another. They go to the Church hurting, confused, afraid, strung-out, whatever and seek guidance. Someone does the right thing and helps them, gives them a copy of the Bible and teaches them
about "god". That is amazing, this is what religion is for, to help people. But if that book told them we can all fly if we try harder, frogs are holy and never to be eaten ever again, and don't wear cotton, then those people would obey because it is the church that took the time to care. It as nothing to do with the truth, it has to do with what the church wants people to think is the truth.

Does it matter whether solomon had 2000 horses or 200 000. Does that make god any less or more worthy?

Yes it does matter. Every single inconsistency and error does matter. This book is, according to people like you, the literal word of god. Why should I believe a god that doesn't know the difference between a bird and a bat? If your god is so perfect and loving then why didn't he just drop down out of the clouds and "zap" his holy book into existence? It would save his children alot of confusion and bickering and he wouldn't have as many people scoffing at him..

Edit:

You sure you are agnostic?

You sure you are Christian?

 

[Bware]

How do you know that it didn't happen?

Becuase there is as much proof. Wait, wait, are you saying that Harry Potter is real? He does miraculous things too, and millions and millions of people are fanatics.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Do you have a point, Bware?

 

[Bware]

My point is I was responding to the people who commented to me. You were not one of them.

 

[Bware]

You'd think if this was true, that the Omnipotent Deity would be more than capable of ensuring that people who write the book would have been of pure heart, and thus not changing things as they saw fit.

This same omnipotent deity would be more than capable of zapping a book into existence without any help from people. In all honestly what kind of an all powerful being needs people to do it for him? I mean if he can create the whole universe, why couldn't he make a book, that has it all cut and dry? Instead we have all these different religions with their different beliefs and holy books telling them different things, the world is pretty confused about if you ask me. Bottom line is that noone on the face of the earth really KNOWS what is correct. Most think they do, so they do what think is best and that's all we can do. You might think that Christianity is the way, others Islam, etc. Me I think it's okay to admit that I have no idea, but I do know what I do not believe. That's enough for me.. : hamster :

 

[Heneni]

That's exactly it though, you don't KNOW for sure that those people met "god". You will respond with something like "oh yes I do KNOW, millions of people know so it has to be true" Look like I said, if the Christian church decided that Jesus was a woman who gave birth to a unicorn, then people will believe it. People want to believe in something, anything, we are all afraid of death in one way or another. They go to the Church hurting, confused, afraid, strung-out, whatever and seek guidance. Someone does the right thing and helps them, gives them a copy of the Bible and teaches them
about "god". That is amazing, this is what religion is for, to help people. But if that book told them we can all fly if we try harder, frogs are holy and never to be eaten ever again, and don't wear cotton, then those people would obey because it is the church that took the time to care. It as nothing to do with the truth, it has to do with what the church wants people to think is the truth.


Yes it does matter. Every single inconsistency and error does matter. This book is, according to people like you, the literal word of god. Why should I believe a god that doesn't know the difference between a bird and a bat? If your god is so perfect and loving then why didn't he just drop down out of the clouds and "zap" his holy book into existence? It would save his children alot of confusion and bickering and he wouldn't have as many people scoffing at him..

Edit:

You sure you are Christian?

The bible is intended to offend those who cannot stand its message. Mission accomplished.

Heneni

 

[Bware]

The bible is intended to offend those who cannot stand its message. Mission accomplished.

Heneni

I love how after two days of mulling that over, that's the lame reply she comes up with. I guess my mission was occomplished!

 

[Heneni]

I love how after two days of mulling that over, that's the lame reply she comes up with. I guess my mission was occomplished!

You speak as if im not here. You need to be aware of the fact that you quoted me and then replied to me as if 'she' is not reading it.

Next....you are a tad arrogant thinking i was musing about your post for two whole days! If it will make you feel famous. :takeabow:


Heneni

 

[Quagmire]

I never said there is no purpose in life or that I don't believe in A God. And I think you misunderstand me. I said I don't believe much of the bible. The reason for this is that MOST, not all, but most of the bible is filled with unimaginable tales that just didn't happen.

If they didn't happen, then obviously they're imaginable tales.

Why should I put stock in a book that is mostly filled with fables to teach me morals and lessons?

Because it teaches you morals, and lessons.

I can get morals and lessons from other places rather than devoting my life into trying to believe in something that I never can.

What makes you think you have to believe in anything literally in order to benefit from the morals (and lessons)?

Do those same people believe that superman existed? Or Harry Potter? I mean Harry for that matter can do similar feats.

Ask again in 2000 years.

 

[Bware]

If they didn't happen, then obviously they're imaginable tales.

That's a pretty weak argument. Not even worth me defending...

Because it teaches you morals, and lessons.

Yes and the few morals, very few that is that are in here I have recognized and taken them. IMO the rest is just garbage.

What makes you think you have to believe in anything literally in order to benefit from the morals (and lessons)?

Nothing, that's why I don't understand why a majority of Christians take it all literally and then fight to the death about something that is obviously not meant to be taken literally.

Ask again in 2000 years.

I don't plan on being here that long my friend, I will already have my questions answered long before that. But good luck:clap

 

[Quagmire]

That's a pretty weak argument. Not even worth me defending...

It wasn't a weak argument, it was a lame joke.

Yes and the few morals, very few that is that are in here I have recognized and taken them. IMO the rest is just garbage.

I'm not trying to talk you into anything, Bware. Just trying to answer your question.

Nothing, that's why I don't understand why a majority of Christians take it all literally

My theory is that approach is as popular as it is because it involves the least work.

and then fight to the death about something that is obviously not meant to be taken literally.

Then maybe you should put the Bible to the side for a while and start reading a few good history books and Psychology texts.

Most conflicts have their real basis in some issue of some humans ego, regardless of what it says on the banner they're carrying.

I don't plan on being here that long my friend, I will already have my questions answered long before that. But good luck:clap

Think you missed my point.

 

[Breathe]

<<snip>>

You're assuming said Omnipotent Deity wants to.
Besides, maybe a Divine Book would be pretty much a stopper in free-will... wouldn't it?

You might think that Christianity is the way,

Not "the" way, just "a" way.

Me I think it's okay to admit that I have no idea, but I do know what I do not believe. That's enough for me.. : hamster :

Like me?
By the way, I like your dancing hamster. :yes:

 

[Bware]

It wasn't a weak argument, it was a lame joke.




I'm not trying to talk you into anything, Bware. Just trying to answer your question.




My theory is that approach is as popular as it is because it involves the least work.



Then maybe you should put the Bible to the side for a while and start reading a few good history books and Psychology texts.

Most conflicts have their real basis in some issue of some humans ego, regardless of what it says on the banner they're carrying.



Think you missed my point.

Yeah I guess I took your response as more than it was. I assumed you were jumping my case like a few have done in thread, sorry . Apparently my first post in this thread sounded angry.

 

[Bware]

You're assuming said Omnipotent Deity wants to.
Besides, maybe a Divine Book would be pretty much a stopper in free-will... wouldn't it?


Not "the" way, just "a" way.


Like me?
By the way, I like your dancing hamster. :yes:

: hamster ::sw:

 

[kylina]

The bible is intended to offend those who cannot stand its message. Mission accomplished.

Are you sure you're christian? I was brought up to believe that the Bible is intended to teach and show those who do not know or understand its message. Sometimes even to convince others who do not put stock in it or the religion it represents.

The bible has weight for me, because it was written by people who knew god. Not just one person, but many over many centuries. Now that in itself would not be good enough, because you could argue that they only wrote down their interpretation of god, and they did not get it right.

How can you be sure that they did know God? Because they wrote about it? they're humans, who's to say they wouldn't lie?

when millions of christians come to know god as being exactly the same one as described in the bible, you have to ask yourself, can all of them be wrong?

From what period are you talking about? It has to be said that a lot of blood was spilt over the religion presented by the Bible. A lot were forced into the religion in the old times and one can argue that today's believers may merely believe because that is what they have been taught since they were children and they grew up with others who believe as well.

 

[logician]

"
when millions of christians come to know god as being exactly the same one as described in the bible, you have to ask yourself, can all of them be wrong?"

The old "bandwagon" argument has always been bogus. The same argument can be used to justify Hitler's genocide of the Jews.

 

[kylina]

"
when millions of christians come to know god as being exactly the same one as described in the bible, you have to ask yourself, can all of them be wrong?"

The old "bandwagon" argument has always been bogus. The same argument can be used to justify Hitler's genocide of the Jews.

One also has to remember the crusades and witch killings as examples of "heathen! burn and die!" sort of thing. That's bound to drive people into fearing, if not the God of that religion, then the preachers and worshippers of that religion and going along if only to stay alive. And if they went along on fear, and their children grew up knowing only that religion, do their children actually get the chance to believe or do they just believe because their parents do and think their belief is their own when they're older?