How can some Americans support a traitor for a President?

[SomeRandom]

And that is what many people are pushing for here. Right now a man with a wife and kids can go to bed, with a loaded pistol out on his nightstand ready to be fired with just a pull of the trigger. I see that even at home one has to not only have the gun unloaded but the bolt removed as well. There are no laws about how one has to have one's guns locked up in a proper gun safe at home.

Ahh. Yeah I can see that posing several issues, to say the least.

I was honestly a bit surprised that we have more guns since our big tragedy that changed our laws. But I guess we haven’t had any big ones since, so eh. We learnt our lesson, hopefully

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Of course. These don't equate to murderous action.

Never heard of man slaughter I take it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But gun violence specifically is irrelevant. Of course more guns means more gun violence, but what of violence over all?

Gun violence is irrelevant? Huh? It's the topic of the conversation.

Are you trying to claim that people with mental illness are more violent overall? You'd need to demonstrate that too, instead of just claiming it.

Your agenda to focus on guns and ignore mental illness is political whether you recognize that or not

You need to actually make your case. You haven't yet. I've provided an argument against your case, which you haven't addressed yet either.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm stigmatizing mental illness by explaining it can develop during life? Haha, I would love an elaboration and know none will be given.

Please. That's not what you're "explaining" here. Haha.

Classic political dronery.

This is the second time you've claimed politics from me when I haven't once brought up politics.
You're the only one trying to make this political here.

 

[1137]

Gun violence is irrelevant? Huh? It's the topic of the conversation.

Right because you care more about political points than helping people.

Are you trying to claim that people with mental illness are more violent overall? You'd need to demonstrate that too, instead of just claiming it.

Nope. I have mental illness myself and am not violent against others.

You need to actually make your case. You haven't yet. I've provided an argument against your case, which you haven't addressed yet either.

I did. Mentally healthy/stable people don't become murderers.

 

[1137]

Please. That's not what you're "explaining" here. Haha.

It's literally exactly what I said. You implied that if you don't already have mental illness you cannot develop it, which is hilariously and dangerously wrong.

This is the second time you've claimed politics from me when I haven't once brought up politics.
You're the only one trying to make this political here.

You don't need to explicitly mention politics. "Let's get rid of guns and ignore mental illness" is a political stance whether you like it or not.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Right because you care more about political points than helping people.

Again with the politics reference. I have not said anything even remotely political. Please stop accusing me of this when you appear to be the one with the problem with "political points." I'm sorry to tell you, but yours is the talking point I keep hearing Republicans parroting all over television. Funny thing, that. Me thinks thou dost project too much.

Anyway, how about you actually address what I said????

Gun violence and mental illness is the topic of discussion.

Nope. I have mental illness myself and am not violent against others.

Right. Me too. I have anxiety disorder and panic disorder. That supports my point now, doesn't it?

I did. Mentally healthy/stable people don't become murderers.

So you're just going to keep repeating the claim without backing it up?

Interestingly, this study shows that people with mental illness are 5 times more likely to be murder victims:

People with mental illness at highly increased risk of being murder victims | The BMJ

www.bmj.com

Some more reading to provide some depth to your perspective:

Mental illness and violence: Debunking myths, addressing realities

Research is helping to tease apart why some people with serious mental illness are prone to violence while others are not, and how clinicians and others can help through improved treatment and informed myth-busting.

www.apa.org

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's literally exactly what I said.

It's literally not.

What you claim you said:
"I'm stigmatizing mental illness by explaining it can develop during life? Haha, I would love an elaboration and know none will be given."

What you said:
"The point is that mentally healthy people dont commit mass violence."


Those are different.

You implied that if you don't already have mental illness you cannot develop it, which is hilariously and dangerously wrong.

I said no such thing. Nor did I imply it.

You don't need to explicitly mention politics. "Let's get rid of guns and ignore mental illness" is a political stance whether you like it or not.

LOL Nope it ain't. Also, never said nor implied that.

It appears you've trapped yourself inside some sort of political bubble that you're projecting onto me. I don't live in your bubble and unlike yourself, I don't view everything through a political lens.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So do you think anyone who wants to buy and own a gun should get a mental health screening first?

Gee, I wonder why you can't seem to get an answer to this one.

 

[F1fan]

Right because you care more about political points than helping people.

Nope. I have mental illness myself and am not violent against others.

I did. Mentally healthy/stable people don't become murderers.

Do you think the mentally ill should have access to guns? How about those with severe depression?

 

[1137]

Again with the politics reference. I have not said anything even remotely political. Please stop accusing me of this when you appear to be the one with the problem with "political points." I'm sorry to tell you, but yours is the talking point I keep hearing Republicans parroting all over television. Funny thing, that. Me thinks thou dost project too much.

Please show us where Republicans are pushing for mental health reform.

Anyway, how about you actually address what I said????

Gun violence and mental illness is the topic of discussion.

They are two topics though.

Right. Me too. I have anxiety disorder and panic disorder. That supports my point now, doesn't it?

No?

So you're just going to keep repeating the claim without backing it up?

Yeah cause by definition homicidal action is abnormal.

Interestingly, this study shows that people with mental illness are 5 times more likely to be murder victims:

People with mental illness at highly increased risk of being murder victims | The BMJ

www.bmj.com

Okay? When did i ever even bring up victimization of the mentally ill?

Some more reading to provide some depth to your perspective:

Mental illness and violence: Debunking myths, addressing realities

Research is helping to tease apart why some people with serious mental illness are prone to violence while others are not, and how clinicians and others can help through improved treatment and informed myth-busting.

www.apa.org

Okay now I understand, you're arguing against a straw man. My point isn't that mental illness will inevitably lead to violence.

 

[1137]

It's literally not.

What you claim you said:
"I'm stigmatizing mental illness by explaining it can develop during life? Haha, I would love an elaboration and know none will be given."

What you said:
"The point is that mentally healthy people dont commit mass violence."


Those are different.

Lol you didn't even quote what you were responding to! Goodbye dishonest debater!

 

[1137]

Gee, I wonder why you can't seem to get an answer to this one.

Because I ignore trolls and don't generally click show ignored content. I can't see the user's content because I don't waste time on dishonest individuals who only seek to waste time.

I have no problem with mental health screening prior to gun ownership if it's objective and fair. You only assume I would cause of your politics

 

[F1fan]

Because I ignore trolls and don't generally click show ignored content. I can't see the user's content because I don't waste time on dishonest individuals who only seek to waste time.

I have no problem with mental health screening prior to gun ownership if it's objective and fair. You only assume I would cause of your politics

See, answering my question after three attempts wasn’t all that painful, was it?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Lol you didn't even quote what you were responding to! Goodbye dishonest debater!

Yes I did.
And we're done.
You've been accusing me of the crap you're doing this entire conversation.
Do better.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Because I ignore trolls and don't generally click show ignored content. I can't see the user's content because I don't waste time on dishonest individuals who only seek to waste time.

I have no problem with mental health screening prior to gun ownership if it's objective and fair. You only assume I would cause of your politics

Dude, you have no idea what my politics are. At all.
Learn how to have a conversation.

 

[1137]

Dude, you have no idea what my politics are. At all.
Learn how to have a conversation.

If I didn't before when you were arguing that guns, not mental states, are the problem, I do for sure after you assumed since I'm not left I'd hold conservative views on mental health screenings for guns. Learn to think for yourself

 

[1137]

See, answering my question after three attempts wasn’t all that painful, was it?

As I tried pointing out you're on my ignore list, I didn't even see them until this morning.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If I didn't before when you were arguing that guns, not mental states, are the problem, I do for sure after you assumed since I'm not left I'd hold conservative views on mental health screenings for guns. Learn to think for yourself

My point stands. You didn't come anywhere close to addressing it.

Let me know when you're able to carry on a conversation without all your political baggage that you're trying to project onto me.

 

[1137]

My point stands. You didn't come anywhere close to addressing it.

Let me know when you're able to carry on a conversation without all your political baggage that you're trying to project onto me.

... what point? I fully admit it's on me for losing the thread lol