This is just too weird! I wrote about this just a few minutes ago and I'm very surprised it came up again and in such a strange way where I discovered I have an account with this name here by accidentally typing something in. Wow! So looks to me like I should copy paste what I wrote earlier:
Ibadi Islam - Wikipedia
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Ibadis state, with reason, that their school predates that of mainstream Islamic schools, and Ibadism is thus considered to be an early and highly orthodox interpretation of Islam.
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Doctrinal differences with other denominationsEdit
Ibāḍīs have several doctrinal differences with other denominations of Islam, chief among them:
- God will not show himself to Muslims on the Day of Judgment, a belief shared with Shias. Sunnis believe that Muslims will see God on the Day of Judgment.[16]
- The Quran was created by God at a certain point in time. This belief is shared with theMutazila[17] and Shi’a, whereas Sunnis hold the Quran to be co-eternal with God, as exemplified by the suffering of Ahmad ibn Hanbal during the miḥnah.[18]
- Like the Mutazila and Shias, but unlike Salafis, they interpret anthropomorphicreferences to God in the Qur'an symbolically rather than literally.[17]
- Their views on predestination are like theAshari Sunnis (i.e. occasionalism).[17]
- It is unnecessary to have one leader for the entire Muslim world, and if no single leader is fit for the job, Muslim communities can rule themselves.[9][11] That is different from both the Sunni belief of Caliphate and the Shia belief of Imamah.[10][19][20]
- It is not necessary for the ruler of the Muslims to be descended from the Quraysh tribe, which was the tribe of the Muslim prophet Muhammad.[10][11] That is different from Shias.[5]:7
- They believe it is acceptable to conceal one's beliefs under certain circumstances (kitman), analogous to the Shia taqiyya.[17]
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" Historically though it seems to suggest in the article that the Ibadi are the oldest, older than the mainstream Sunni. Did you read the portion about their differences with the Sunni? Their differences seem to represent an earlier version of Islam before the modifications or innovations which occurred after it reached Persia when the Shia developed as well as the Sunni. The earliest Muslims seemed to have not believed that Allah has a form which can in any way be seen ever "which no vision encompasses" and that the Qur'an are the words created by Allah not "co-eternal" with Allah. Those two innovations came later and were considered blasphemous by early Muslims but were later accepted by the mainstream population who are now called Sunni. Do you believe Allah can be seen with the senses as an object, body, or form (which entails limitations in structure and borders)? Do you believe that the Qur'an is created by and controlled by Allah and that nothing is co-eternal with Allah but Allah is alone and One and the Qur'an is the book made by Allah who can make any book freely and its contents and can even change history effortlessly? These two questions separate one from the mainstream and return one to the earliest forms of Islam and the understanding of the Qur'an before innovations led to people saying they will see Allah, will be in hell for a limited time, and that the Qur'an is co-eternal with Allah. I like to bring it up and ask people so that if they pronounce and affirm their belief in these blasphemous they are basically accursed in my view. I'd love to hear what you think about these things, how, and why.
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" This links to a Sunni answer affirming literal sight of a seeable structure
Seeing Allah on Day of Judgment - Islamweb - Fatwas
These are quotes from the Qur'an:
7:143
And when Moses came to Our appointed tryst and his Lord had spoken unto him, he said: My Lord! Show me (Thy Self), that I may gaze upon Thee. He said: Thou wilt not see Me, but gaze upon the mountain! If it stand still in its place, then thou wilt see Me. And when his Lord revealed (His) glory to the mountain He sent it crashing down. And Moses fell down senseless. And when he woke he said: You are like Nothing (Subhan)! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the first of (true) believers.
6:103
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.
So in my opinion, anything which can be seen has a background behind it which allows it to be visible, meaning its smaller than the background, it is also limited in its distance like it something is right up close to you it can't be seen, but Allah is "closer than the jugular vein".
50:16
We swear that We have created the human being and We know what his soul whispers to him. We are closer to him than even his jugular vein.
If something is seen, it is made of "stuff", information, which is what Allah creates, so everything that is visible is produced by Allah. Before there was creation, there was not even a system in place to see, Allah would have had to have made everything, since Allah is literally like Nothing (Subhan) except having the power to generate, which requires drive or self - motivation to execute to power to generate and choice to choose what is generated which is also so much of what is not generated that moment, nothing pre-exists with Allah or co-exists with Allah.
So an object which can be seen, is made of limitations, it is smaller than the background, it has limited distance and size, its wholly an object which is like an idol having structure made of limitations. Whoever believes this in their heart may not have a great assessment of what Allah is or why it is abominable to create idols, or even to believe that Jesus is Allah, since Jesus is a formed creation which can be seen, with a limited structure and distance. Everything falls apart about these major objections if one accepts a literal visual comprehension of Allah which is only possible of a form which is created and limited. So even if a form does appear, that is never truly Allah the way we are represented by a body, since Allah is free from such things, Allah is "Subhan", not having these qualities like us who were made, not having any limitations, form being impossible, remotely controlling all impressions, forms, visions, not limited. That alone can be ultimate, anything with a structure which is necessarily made of limits is less than the Greatest and First.
So whatever one sees or is able to see ever is an experience created by Allah but Allah can not be literally seen. You can "see" in some sense "time passing", or "Judgment Executed", or "Justice", or "Love", or even "Wind blowing things" or "The symptoms of a Virus, reaction to allergin, effect of great heat", all invisible things that are not seen. Even Light, which Allah is compared to, is literally invisible, it is only known or seem by what it reflects upon and what reflects upon it, which can be taken in multiple senses, but light itself is not even visibly detectable except if it strikes against an object and illuminates it and changes its appearance and color or makes it manifest, the reflection of light is all one sees, not the light itself which is invisible in between. So with careful consideration of all these things, and personal thought put into it, one may see that Allah should not be literally visible as only a creation, a limited structure can be, which is always less than Allah who creates information but is not information, information is creation and experience and Allah is not that, so is non-information, can not be experienced, so is likened also to Death (Called "Returning to Allah" and "You were dead (didn't exist), then you were brought into existence, then will be dead again (made non-existent just as before you existed) and be brought back to life (the point being that pre-existence which is non-existence is compared to death and death is called "returning to Allah" who is called "Subhan" which means Void (Literally like Nothing, not blackness, whiteness, not a color or solid, not space, not dimension, not rules or systems or structures, utterly different and unlike any thing, not a thing, not information, thus incomprehensible in every sense or way), Dreamless Sleep (Death said to be like Sleep), Annihilation (The Mountain which was Atomized)."
