Psalm 110 is part of the Old Testament, the Tanakh. It was written in Hebrew
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How can YHWH be the FATHER?
- Thread starter teage
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You are right. Matthew was just quoting the Old Testament. But that does not mean YHWH is referred to in the New Testament.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Your mockery of his use of parentheses is out of line. He is simply placing in parenthesis the translation. It is a perfectly legitimate use of parentheses.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Referred to, yes. Mentioned by name? No.
teage
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Yes, Yhwh is referred to many times in the NT, as the evil one. Even the Lord's prayer hints of Yhwh.
No it could very well be referring to some other 'Lord'
You can't quote something by adding to it right in the middle - it is deceptive.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
As "the evil one"? No, the NT never promotes the idea that the God of the Jews is evil.
Yes, in the Lord's prayer, Jesus addresses it to the God of Israel. Even though he doesn't mention YHWH by name, that is who "our father" is. There is nothing in that prayer that states or even implies that "our father" is evil.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
No, not in the context that it is used.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
No, it's not. The whole point of the parentheses or brackets is to communicate that you are momentarily breaking from the quote to make a comment.
In the case we are discussing, he is not even inserting a comment. He is inserting a translation. That means that he is NOT adding to the quote, he is simply quoting the identical quote in a different language.
You are way out of line with your objection. If you want to debate him about his ideas, that is fine. But it looks very bad for you to be picking apart his use of punctuation, especially when he is punctuating correctly. If after everything I have pointed out, you want to continue mocking, that's on you. Just be aware of how it looks to others.
Feedmysheep
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In the Old Testament YHWH is "Father" in the sense of the Creator.
His question to Adam "Where are you?" was for Adam to realize his new degraded state - hiding from fellowship with God.
His question was not because He did not know where Adam was.
The question was designed for Adam and Eve to contemplate the tragic change that was taking place in them - hiding in fear from their Creator.
As Jesus is God as a man manifested so also God appeared as a man to Adam and Eve.
For ultimately the eternal purpose of God is to be manifested in humanity anyway.
If you wish to be thorough you have to admit that Jesus also said that to see Him was to see the Father.
As He assured Phillip that to see Him was to see the Father.
Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father and it is sufficient for us.
Jesus said to him, Have I been so long a time with you, and you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how is it that you say, Show us the Father? (John 14:8,9)
Feedmysheep
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The process of death began to operate from the center of their being gradually working its dearful final result outward.
Since then everyone born begins immediately to die in like manner. Emptiness, vanity, darkness of conscience, aging, and eventual
decreptitude of the body all were "calling cards" informing Adam he was DYING.
I would not take Gen. 2:17b - " . . . for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." to insist within that 24 hour period.
The dreadful process started then. God did inform Adam he would eat bread in sweat for some period.
Cursed is the ground because of you; / In toil will you eat of it / All the days of your life. (Gen. 3:17b)
So sorry I do not meet your standards of rectitude. BTW any added text while quoting should be in brackets not parenthesis: Extended Rules for Using Quotation Marks - Purdue OWL® - Purdue University
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Yes brackets are more correct. However, using parentheses instead does not diminish the communication. No one reading his comment misunderstands him.
I agree. Sometimes a person asks a question not because they seek knowledge but in order to provoke a reaction in the other person.
This is refreshing to read. Many individuals interpret scripture in an extremely literalist manner to the point that they cannot reconcile two different verses within the same text. Some might read scripture that way to be on the safe side or something, but they end up not being able to reconcile statements such as 'you shall surely die' and 'by the sweat of your brow, you will eat your bread.' Moreover, they end up ignoring the implications of what they read.
By the way, welcome to RF!
teage
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That would mean that YHWH murdered them, slowly, for over 900 or so yrs. Kind of cruel really. I guess us modern ppl are lucky, we get a quicker sentence.
@teage
Are you Gnostic?
Some Gnostic Christians considered the Hebrew God of the Old Testament as the evil, false god and creator of the material universe. They believe the Father of Jesus Christ, the Unknown God of the Gospel and creator of the spiritual world, is the true, good God.
Yaldabaoth
@IndigoChild5559
Have you read The Gospel of Judas?
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teage
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9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Matthew 7:9-11
Jesus is talking about Exodus.
teage
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If I'm to be extremely honest, I don't know yet. I prayed for guidance and better understanding while going through some very difficult times and now everything looks different. Thats all I know. I used to have main stream views. It feels like searching all over again from scratch.