God and Jesus were both there, because as it is said, God dwells in Jesus.
The Father dwells in Jesus and Jesus dwells in the Father.
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? (John 14:10a)
Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; (11a)
I don't think he was calling Jesus God, otherwise he could have just said, "my God".
He was calling Jesus both his Lord and his God.
I too confess before God, Satan, and the world that the man Jesus Christ is my Lord and my God.
You sound like you're an old hand at this and are ready with various reasons of unbelief.
I won't be joining you in this heresy. When I call on the name of the Lord Jesus I know that I touch God.
The Son of God is indeed
Wonderful.
[peleh] (Isa. 9;6)
What is
wonderful is enjoyable yet hard to fully comprehend. This word in Hebrew is used in some other notable places.
Ie. Oh, knowledge too wonderful for me! / It is so high; I cannot attain to it. (Psa. 139:6)
And the Angel of Jehovah said to him, Why do you ask about My name, since it is wonderful? (Judges 13:6)
Bible tells Jesus is the image of God.
It says that and it also said the glory of God is in the face of Jesus Christ. I am a believer.
. . . the illumination of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine on them.
For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, . . . (2 Cor. 4:4b)
Because the God who said, Out of darkness light shall shine, is the One who shined in our hearts to illuminate the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (v.6)
It also says that the Word who was with God was God. And this Word became flesh.
(John 1:1,14)
Do you think an image is the same as the source of the image?
I believe we should learn what the God has said. And we should learn
again what God has also said.
I believe what is written. And I believe also
again what is written.
(Matt. 4:7)
Otherwise the subtle Devil can even use what is written in a unbalanced way to deceive the saints.
Again God also said Christ is the image of the invisible God. And God ALSO said that the Son is God.
But of the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, . . .
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God,
Your God, has anointed You with the oil of exultant joy above Your partners”; (Heb. 1:8,9)
So rather than being lopsided, using one thing written to suppress something else written,
I reserve the right to believe ALL that God has said.
When you are too one sided you become like
"a cake not turned" like Ephraim.
That means all toasty cooked on one side yet still raw and uncooked on the other side.
Ephraim — among the peoples / He mixes himself; / Ephraim is a cake / Not turned. (Hosea 7:8)
Like groups like "The Way International" or the "Jehovah's Witnesses" you teach a lopsided biased view that Christ's deity is
incomplete. This is the old Arian concept rightfully rejected by the ancient brethren centuries ago. I think they did a good
job to protect the truth of the gospel.
Sorry to see you rehash these old deviations from the Gospel.
If you have seen an image of a God, have you seen the God, is the image the God?
Yes, in the case of those seeing the man Jesus.
We should see that God is to be lived in us. And the New Testament says about those who receive Christ, God lives in them.
Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him and he in God. ( 1 John 4:15)
I did not see Jesus physically yet. But God in Christ has come to abide in me and I in God.
While you're priority may be on physically seeing God the Gospel's emphasizes that we live God through God being
dispensed into us as divine life.
Jesus said He and His Father would come as the divine "We" to make an abode with His lovers.
Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him. (John 14:23)
So the Son and the Father as the Spirit indwell the lovers of Jesus. The triune God comes to be our life.
We can detect no difference within us. We who have received this divine
"We" of the Father and the Son do not physically
see God. But we can subjectively detect no seperation of the Father and the Son.
Maybe you lack experience and are more tangled up with doctrinal matters in the mind.
That is to reduce the Wonderful into something like a computer flow chart for mental explanation in a purely objective way.
At any rate, even according to doctrine, the man Jesus is God as well as the image of God and the effulgence of His glory.
God, having spoken of old in many portions and in many ways to the fathers in the prophets,
Has at the last of these days spoken to us in the Son, whom He appointed Heir of all things, through whom also He made the universe;
Who, being the effulgence of His glory and the impress of His substance and upholding and bearing all things by the word of His power, having made purification of sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (Heb. 1:1-3)
Just a few verses latter the writer also says this Son is the One being spoken of in the entire
Psalm 102. Read the whole Psalm including
what the writer of Hebrews quotes.
And, “You [the Son - v.8] in the beginning, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of Your hands;
They will perish, but You remain perpetually; and they all will become old like a garment,
And like a mantle You will roll them up; like a garment they will also be changed; but You are the same, and Your years will not fail.”
(Heb. 1:0-12)
I made a song to this passage.
If you answer yes, would you pay a same amount of money for an image of a house as for the actual house?
I believe the glory of God is in the face of Jesus Christ as the NT tells.
One day I will see Him as He is. And I also will be like Him - conformed to His image according to His will and covenant.
Now it is the Christian's responsibility to learn to live Christ which is to live in God.
When Paul is speaking to the believers in Rome he is talking in the way of subjective enjoyment
rather than as mere objective doctrine. Notice how he moves seamlessly between these interchangeable names of the indwelling One.
. . . the Spirit of God dwells in you. Yet if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him.
But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness.
And if the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you.
Who is the One indwelling and living in the Christians?
He is "the Spirit of God".
But wait. He is also "the Spirit of Christ".
But wait. He is also
"Christ" Himself.
But yet wait. He is also
"the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead."
As we live in this divine and mystical realm we cannot detect any seperation between
the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, Christ, and the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead.
God is the Triune Father - Son - Holy Spirit to be dispensed into man that we may live unto, live through, and live out God.
… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14-16
For Christ to be the Firstborn of all creation does not mean timewise He is the first thing God created.
That is the mistake of the Arians and the modern students of Charles Russell of the Watchtower Society.
It means as a man into which God was incarnated, He was the preeminent one in all creation.
He as the man which He became has the first place, the preeminent place, the most importance place among everything
created by God.
When
"the Word became flesh" (John 1:14) He made that man the highest matter in all time and eternity of things created by God.
It is without dispute that man is a created item of God
(Genesis 1:26.27). And the Word who was with God and was God became
a man. In that way He became the
Firstborn of all creation. (Col. 1:14-16)
For length's sake other comments I may write latter.
The nature of your other explanations are further attempts at denying the deity of Jesus Christ in a kind of preferencial one sided emphasis
of Bible verses.