It's skepticism. Most skeptics are open minded, they just don't buy into things on hearsay and request sound arguments based on evidence.
Many things are always happening in the world. No one has complete knowledge of them.
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How can you be a True Christian™ if you don't take the Eden story literally?
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I don't get that. I'm optimistic. We've had tough problems in the past and found solutions. Though, we probably should plan ahead better knowing what we now know and not have to rely on our ability to find technical solutions all the time. That could run out or not happen fast enough.
ppp
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Then nothing you has said about whomever you are talking about is about whomever you are talking about.
I do not believe there was any proof proposed for disassociation. No one can prove nor explain anything into 'oblivion?'
Science simply explains the nature of our physical existence based on the objective evidence available. The existence of a 'Source' some call Gods remains a subjective belief based on faith without an objective explanation.
Attempts to believe Genesis and the Pentateuch as a whole is literal history remains ne;iefs clinging to ancient tribal texts with no reference to reality of the nature of our existence we can easily demonstrate today.
This is a paradox of belief today in all the ancient tribal religions of the past without the knowledge of science. It is common if not prevalent for believers in ancient Abrahamic religions to manipulate and distort scripture and the evidence to justify belief in an ancient world view. It results in something like a schizophrenia out of touch with reality like forcing square pegs in round holes.
Can anyone truly and honestly believe in ancient tribal religions in any form, and be honest about the mythological context of ancient scripture.
The reality is that belief is predominantly motivated by a dependent sense of belonging and identity handed down over the millennia without any independent search for the knowledge of our reality today, Almost all believers today cling to one form or another of the beliefs of their ancestors.
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that a person' experience with God should be consistent with the Bible. One can investigate whether the experience is connected to the Bible or not.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe they can but not scientifically.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the solution won't work because it does not address the cause and is insufficient to put much of a dent in the increased heat.
Subduction Zone
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So owning slaves, having sex with one's daughters or parents, oh and participating in genocide.
No thanks. I will pass.
Subduction Zone
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The problem is that you do not understand the cause of the increased heat at all, even though you could easily learn the basics. That makes your opinion of less than no value.
I must be missing part of this conversation, since I don't know what the "solution" proposed is.
I don't know what that means either. Unless you mean based on evidence, then yes, I agree. There is no evidence to be used to demonstrate any believed position, including Christianity. But a person can accept science, practice science, agree with scientific conclusions, view the Bible largely as allegory and believe in God.
Subduction Zone
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It is in regards to AGW. He does not think that limiting the use of fossil fuels, the known cause of AGW, would have any effect. I of course disagreed.
I agree with you in disagreeing with that.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
What is the connection between your religious belief in the bible, and your remark that you could logically investigate?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe what is happening is best explained by the earth being closer to the sun in one part of its orbit and further way on the opposite side of its orbit. I also believe the Poles have shifted.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the proposal is to reduce carbon footprint.
Muffled
Jesus in me
For instance Jesus says the flesh is flesh and the spirit is spirit. Since science investigates the flesh (The world) it is not going to find the spirit. The spirit has to be experienced spiritually. Therefore He said you must be born again of the spirit.
This does not remotely explain global warming on the scale of global warming in the past 300 years.. Your selective dishonest reference to science only reflects your intentional ignorance of science. These factors you misrepresent are long term factors of thousands of years, or very short duration of ~25 years.
The Milankovitch cycle ~23,000 and has no relationship to global warming we see today over the past several hundred years since the Industrial Revolution.
Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate - NASA Science
Small cyclical variations in the shape of Earth's orbit, its wobble and the angle its axis is tilted play key roles in influencing Earth's climate over timespans of tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years.
climate.nasa.gov
Our lives literally revolve around cycles: series of events that are repeated regularly in the same order. There are hundreds of different types of cycles in our world and in the universe. Some are natural, such as the change of the seasons, annual animal migrations or the circadian rhythms that govern our sleep patterns. Others are human-produced, like growing and harvesting crops, musical rhythms or economic cycles.
Cycles also play key roles in Earth’s short-term weather and long-term climate. A century ago, Serbian scientist Milutin Milankovitch hypothesized the long-term, collective effects of changes in Earth’s position relative to the Sun are a strong driver of Earth’s long-term climate, and are responsible for triggering the beginning and end of glaciation periods (Ice Ages).
Specifically, he examined how variations in three types of Earth orbital movements affect how much solar radiation (known as insolation) reaches the top of Earth’s atmosphere as well as where the insolation reaches. These cyclical orbital movements, which became known as the Milankovitch cycles, cause variations of up to 25 percent in the amount of incoming insolation at Earth’s mid-latitudes (the areas of our planet located between about 30 and 60 degrees north and south of the equator).
The Milankovitch cycles include:
- The shape of Earth’s orbit, known as eccentricity;
- The angle Earth’s axis is tilted with respect to Earth’s orbital plane, known as obliquity; and
- The direction Earth’s axis of rotation is pointed, known as precession.
Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
Eccentricity – Earth’s annual pilgrimage around the Sun isn’t perfectly circular, but it’s pretty close. Over time, the pull of gravity from our solar system’s two largest gas giant planets, Jupiter and Saturn, causes the shape of Earth’s orbit to vary from nearly circular to slightly elliptical. Eccentricity measures how much the shape of Earth’s orbit departs from a perfect circle. These variations affect the distance between Earth and the Sun.
Eccentricity is the reason why our seasons are slightly different lengths, with summers in the Northern Hemisphere currently about 4.5 days longer than winters, and springs about three days longer than autumns. As eccentricity decreases, the length of our seasons gradually evens out.
The difference in the distance between Earth’s closest approach to the Sun (known as perihelion), which occurs on or about January 3 each year, and its farthest departure from the Sun (known as aphelion) on or about July 4, is currently about 5.1 million kilometers (about 3.2 million miles), a variation of 3.4 percent. That means each January, about 6.8 percent more incoming solar radiation reaches Earth than it does each July.
When Earth’s orbit is at its most elliptic, about 23 percent more incoming solar radiation reaches Earth at our planet’s closest approach to the Sun each year than does at its farthest departure from the Sun. Currently, Earth’s eccentricity is very slowly decreasing and is approaching its least elliptic (most circular), in a cycle that spans about 100,000 years.
The total change in global annual insolation due to the eccentricity cycle is very small. Because variations in Earth’s eccentricity are fairly small, they’re a relatively minor factor in annual seasonal climate variations.
Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
Obliquity – The angle Earth’s axis of rotation is tilted as it travels around the Sun is known as obliquity. Obliquity is why Earth has seasons. Over the last million years, it has varied between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees with respect to Earth’s orbital plane. The greater Earth’s axial tilt angle, the more extreme our seasons are, as each hemisphere receives more solar radiation during its summer, when the hemisphere is tilted toward the Sun, and less during winter, when it is tilted away. Larger tilt angles favor periods of deglaciation (the melting and retreat of glaciers and ice sheets). These effects aren’t uniform globally -- higher latitudes receive a larger change in total solar radiation than areas closer to the equator.
Earth’s axis is currently tilted 23.4 degrees, or about half way between its extremes, and this angle is very slowly decreasing in a cycle that spans about 41,000 years. It was last at its maximum tilt about 10,000 years ago and will reach its minimum tilt about 10,000 years from now. As obliquity decreases, it gradually helps make our seasons milder, resulting in increasingly warmer winters, and cooler summers that gradually, over time, allow snow and ice at high latitudes to build up into large ice sheets. As ice cover increases, it reflects more of the Sun’s energy back into space, promoting even further cooling.
Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
Precession – As Earth rotates, it wobbles slightly upon its rotational axis, like a slightly off-center spinning toy top. This wobble is due to tidal forces caused by the gravitational influences of the Sun and Moon that cause Earth to bulge at the equator, affecting its rotation. The trend in the direction of this wobble relative to the fixed positions of stars is known as axial precession. The cycle of axial precession spans about 25,771.5 years.
Axial precession makes seasonal contrasts more extreme in one hemisphere and less extreme in the other. Currently perihelion occurs during winter in the Northern Hemisphere and in summer in the Southern Hemisphere. This makes Southern Hemisphere summers hotter and moderates Northern Hemisphere seasonal variations. But in about 13,000 years, axial precession will cause these conditions to flip, with the Northern Hemisphere seeing more extremes in solar radiation and the Southern Hemisphere experiencing more moderate seasonal variations.
Precession does affect seasonal timing relative to Earth's closest/farthest points around the Sun. However, the modern calendar system ties itself to the seasons, and so, for example, the Northern Hemisphere winter will never occur in July. Today Earth’s North Stars are Polaris and Polaris Australis, but a couple of thousand years ago, they were Kochab and Pherkad.
There’s also apsidal precession. Not only does Earth wobble on its rotational axis, but Earth’s entire orbital ellipse – that is, the oval-shaped path Earth follows in its orbit around the Sun — also wobbles irregularly, primarily due to its interactions with Jupiter and Saturn. The cycle of apsidal precession spans about 112,000 years. Apsidal precession changes the orientation of Earth’s orbit relative to the ecliptic plane.
The combined effects of axial and apsidal precession result in an overall precession cycle spanning about 23,000 years on average.
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Subduction Zone
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Thank you for confirming my prior post.