How can you justify the sheer complexity that evolution would have to evolve?

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

I don't agree.

It doesn’t matter.

If he gets his way, we’re fleeing the country.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It doesn’t matter.

If he gets his way, we’re fleeing the country.

People have to make the decisions and take the actions they feel are right.

Well, we've diverted from the OP long enough.

In deference to that argument from incredulity, I don't agree with it either.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

People have to make the decisions and take the actions they feel are right.

Well, we've diverted from the OP long enough.

In deference to that argument from incredulity, I don't agree with it either.

Will this election be as bloody as the last two?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Will this election be as bloody as the last two?

Question and answer for another thread.

 

[McBell]

We have one on this forum.

Since you have as yet to give a useful or even meaningful definition of "gundamentalist"...

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

Since you have as yet to give a useful or even meaningful definition of "gundamentalist"...

I don’t do definitions, but these folks do a pretty good job.

Insurrection Erection​

 

[Audie]

There are 3 billion base pairs in the human genom(a cell) and around 30-40 trillion cells in a human each specialized for a specific function.

There are approximately 86 billions of neurons in the brain.

The eye has a cornea, iris, pupil, lens, retina, optical nerve, macula, fovea, Aqueous Humor, Vitreous Humor, Ciliary Muscles, sclera, Choroid and Conjunctiva to name a few. The eye can distinguish between 10 million colours.

The human gut is home to trillions of microorganisms, collectively known as the gut microbiome.

These are just a few incredible facts about the human body there are hundreds more.

This doesn't even touch on the origins of the first cell, first DNA, first multi cell etc etc

How can you expect anybody to believe that it was random mutations that ultimately created all of this, the complexity is ridiculous and there's no way all these complex organisms could have evolved to work together in harmony as they do?

You somehow think an infinite intelligence
and power that somehow exists and is quite
concerned that you not eat clams really really is
real. And available for you ask it for favours.

 

[sayak83]

There are 3 billion base pairs in the human genom(a cell) and around 30-40 trillion cells in a human each specialized for a specific function.

There are approximately 86 billions of neurons in the brain.

The eye has a cornea, iris, pupil, lens, retina, optical nerve, macula, fovea, Aqueous Humor, Vitreous Humor, Ciliary Muscles, sclera, Choroid and Conjunctiva to name a few. The eye can distinguish between 10 million colours.

The human gut is home to trillions of microorganisms, collectively known as the gut microbiome.

These are just a few incredible facts about the human body there are hundreds more.

This doesn't even touch on the origins of the first cell, first DNA, first multi cell etc etc

How can you expect anybody to believe that it was random mutations that ultimately created all of this, the complexity is ridiculous and there's no way all these complex organisms could have evolved to work together in harmony as they do?

Argument from incredulity?
It's complex for our brains to understand, not for nature to realise.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There are 3 billion base pairs in the human genom(a cell) and around 30-40 trillion cells in a human each specialized for a specific function.

There are approximately 86 billions of neurons in the brain.

The eye has a cornea, iris, pupil, lens, retina, optical nerve, macula, fovea, Aqueous Humor, Vitreous Humor, Ciliary Muscles, sclera, Choroid and Conjunctiva to name a few. The eye can distinguish between 10 million colours.

The human gut is home to trillions of microorganisms, collectively known as the gut microbiome.

These are just a few incredible facts about the human body there are hundreds more.

This doesn't even touch on the origins of the first cell, first DNA, first multi cell etc etc

How can you expect anybody to believe that it was random mutations that ultimately created all of this, the complexity is ridiculous and there's no way all these complex organisms could have evolved to work together in harmony as they do?

Your combo of argument from awe, complexity, ignorance and incredulity... are noted.

 

[Audie]

Your combo of argument from awe, complexity, ignorance and incredulity... are noted.

A "microgish".

 

[PureX]

There are 3 billion base pairs in the human genom(a cell) and around 30-40 trillion cells in a human each specialized for a specific function.

There are approximately 86 billions of neurons in the brain.

The eye has a cornea, iris, pupil, lens, retina, optical nerve, macula, fovea, Aqueous Humor, Vitreous Humor, Ciliary Muscles, sclera, Choroid and Conjunctiva to name a few. The eye can distinguish between 10 million colours.

The human gut is home to trillions of microorganisms, collectively known as the gut microbiome.

These are just a few incredible facts about the human body there are hundreds more.

This doesn't even touch on the origins of the first cell, first DNA, first multi cell etc etc

How can you expect anybody to believe that it was random mutations that ultimately created all of this, the complexity is ridiculous and there's no way all these complex organisms could have evolved to work together in harmony as they do?

The mutations caused anomalies (change) and the environment determined if those changes were an advantage to the life form's survivability, and were therefor passed on.

You should try and at least understand the process that you are so incredulous about.

Also, none of us has to "justify" the process of the evolution of life forms, as we are not responsible for it.

 

[Mock Turtle]

There are 3 billion base pairs in the human genom(a cell) and around 30-40 trillion cells in a human each specialized for a specific function.

There are approximately 86 billions of neurons in the brain.

The eye has a cornea, iris, pupil, lens, retina, optical nerve, macula, fovea, Aqueous Humor, Vitreous Humor, Ciliary Muscles, sclera, Choroid and Conjunctiva to name a few. The eye can distinguish between 10 million colours.

The human gut is home to trillions of microorganisms, collectively known as the gut microbiome.

These are just a few incredible facts about the human body there are hundreds more.

This doesn't even touch on the origins of the first cell, first DNA, first multi cell etc etc

How can you expect anybody to believe that it was random mutations that ultimately created all of this, the complexity is ridiculous and there's no way all these complex organisms could have evolved to work together in harmony as they do?

It is difficult to believe, but the alternative explanations are far less credible, unless belief (even as to the literal truth) of so many different religious texts (take your pick) appeals more than actually trying to learn as to how this existence and our reality came about - and where the science that informs us as to evolution also gives so much more that we can understand more readily.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It is difficult to believe,

Tbh, I find it far less difficult to believe then crazy stuff like relativity and alike.

In fact, once you actually understand the basic process, the inevitability of it all is quite obvious

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

...

How can you expect anybody to believe that it was random mutations that ultimately created all of this, the complexity is ridiculous and there's no way all these complex organisms could have evolved to work together in harmony as they do?

Well, the idea of God is even worse. But luckily there is no need to believe in either as for having an everyday life as such.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Tbh, I find it far less difficult to believe then crazy stuff like relativity and alike.

In fact, once you actually understand the basic process, the inevitability of it all is quite obvious

Same here (as to much of physics), and once one does look into evolution and the various sciences that support this, then it becomes a lot easier than accepting any other explanation - unless one just concentrates on any one aspect perhaps. But still much to learn - as always.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The mutations caused anomalies (change) and the environment determined if those changes were an advantage to the life form's survivability, and were therefor passed on.

You should try and at least understand the process that you are so incredulous about.

Also, none of us has to "justify" the process of the evolution of life forms, as we are not responsible for it.

Other than clarifying that the mutations are the anomalies caused by a chemical, radiation or some other mutagenic factor of the environment, I agree.

 

[Copernicus]

Other than clarifying that the mutations are the anomalies caused by a chemical, radiation or some other mutagenic factor of the environment, I agree.

It isn't just about mutations. It is also about existing genetically heritable traits that come to dominate because of environmental factors that favor them. The point is that any heritable trait that confers an advantage for survival and reproduction will tend to spread more rapidly and overwhelm genetically programmed phenotypes that are less advantageous.

 

[Sargonski]

It's either evolution or magic. Personally i don't believe in magic

but of course you believe in magic ... you just don't realize it , perhaps never encountering it. Think of your primative ancestors encountering aliens with superior abilities and technology -- they saw magic with their own eyes .. or what they believed was magic.

Were you to have an interaction with an equivalently advanced entity -- you would believe in magic .. because you had seen it with own eyes.. and when it comes down to it ... technology "IS" a form of magic .. and it is not evolution or magic.. Evolution is the Magic ... har har har ..

The proof of God is Evolution if you define "Magic" and define "GOD" properly ..

 

[Valjean]

There are 3 billion base pairs in the human genom(a cell) and around 30-40 trillion cells in a human each specialized for a specific function.

DNA is a polymer; a chain that easily adds links (monomers) and can do so endlessly. The monomeric base-pairs are constantly being copied, with occasional additions, deletions, replications &c.
A very long chain has grown, through simple, well understood steps, over and over, for billions of years.
The mechanisms responsible for cell specialization and growth are also well known, and have been operating in billions of organisms for billions of years. Small changes add up.

There are approximately 86 billions of neurons in the brain.

So?

The eye has a cornea, iris, pupil, lens, retina, optical nerve, macula, fovea, Aqueous Humor, Vitreous Humor, Ciliary Muscles, sclera, Choroid and Conjunctiva to name a few. The eye can distinguish between 10 million colours.

And how these came to be is not only well understood, but each step, from a spot of light-sensitive pigment (eyespot) in a microbe to a complex human eye, is known, functional, and can be seen in living organisms today. No mystery here.

The human gut is home to trillions of microorganisms, collectively known as the gut microbiome.

Yeah, so?

These are just a few incredible facts about the human body there are hundreds more.

You're equating complexity with conscious intent. Complexity can arise from purely natural, undirected processes.

This doesn't even touch on the origins of the first cell, first DNA, first multi cell etc etc

And the discoveries and processes that have already been discovered can be googled, easily enough.

How can you expect anybody to believe that it was random mutations that ultimately created all of this, the complexity is ridiculous and there's no way all these complex organisms could have evolved to work together in harmony as they do?

No. Pretty much everyone familiar with the processes involved believes in accumulated selections from random mutations, and the more informed the person, the more likely she is to believe in it.

Mutations happen all the time, and there are billions of organisms mutating at any given moment. Select the beneficial mutations to reproduce, and delete the harmful ones, trillions of times, over billions of years, and you can get considerable complexity and coördination.

You are arguing personal incredulity, perhaps from ignorance of the time and steps involved. Incredulity is not a logical argument.

 

[Valjean]

Well, the idea of God is even worse. But luckily there is no need to believe in either as for having an everyday life as such.

...and God isn't even an explanation. The process remains unexplained.