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How can you prove something that is invisible is real?

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
there are invisible forces all around us

gravity, the wind, electromagnetism, black holes

of course none of those things have a mind that can think, but they are all evidence that invisible things exist... so why stop at non living things?
Yeah, but if that's your criterion, where does it stop? Do pink unicorns exist? We can't see them, either.
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
Rather, God, i.e., Brahman, is the sum total of all that exists.

So you're a pantheist?

In any case, why invent a new word for something that already has a word to describe it - namely "reality"? And isn't calling it "God" implying something about it that isn't necessarily true?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
So you're a pantheist?

In any case, why invent a new word for something that already has a word to describe it - namely "reality"? And isn't calling it "God" implying something about it that isn't necessarily true?

Irrelevant to the topic at hand. :p

Besides, I'm a panentheist. (And, as an aside, the Sanskrit word brahma was around long before the English word reality.:p:p)
 

9Westy9

Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
Premium Member
Do invisible people REALLY exist?

If you look at all the wonderful complexity of how life is beautiful made, can you REALLY say someone invisible made it?

How can that make sense.

Invisible people don't physically exist. Or if they do we haven't detected them yet.

As for how and invisible person can create it it makes perfect sense. The creator is extrauniversal so not physical. At least not physical in our understanding of the word.
 

lunamoth

Will to love
Do invisible people REALLY exist?

If you look at all the wonderful complexity of how life is beautiful made, can you REALLY say someone invisible made it?

How can that make sense.
Everything is invisible until you have the proper instrument to observe it.
 

McBell

Admiral Obvious
you said if you look at all the wonderful complixity of how life is beautiful made , can you REALLy say that no one made it ? how can that make sense.
Many thiests have absolutely no problems whatsoever claiming that their chosen deity was not made.

Like you said, how does that make sense?
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
you said if you look at all the wonderful complixity of how life is beautiful made , can you REALLy say that no one made it ? how can that make sense.

some people are limiting themselves with wath they sense only to believe, it's been a long time ago that science could prove what is not sensible by human. and it still going on this

Many thiests have absolutely no problems whatsoever claiming that their chosen deity was not made.

Like you said, how does that make sense?

:biglaugh:
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
there are invisible forces all around us

gravity, the wind, electromagnetism, black holes

of course none of those things have a mind that can think, but they are all evidence that invisible things exist... so why stop at non living things?

That is what Jesus said. The spirit is like the wind. You can see the affect the wind has on leaves on trees. The spirit can be seen by the affect it has on people.
 

savethedreams

Active Member
You can usually sme....I mean,tell the difference.


So if a person who makes a life changes from drug abuser and become Muslim that Muslim has the 'holy spirit' and found the truth path of God. Same with Sikhs, Buddhist, and Wiccans.

So, sense a person who goes to church and does drugs and has a bad lifestyle leave the church or chistianity and finds Islam and changes his life according to Islam, Islam has the holy spirit. It all depends on what religion people change to, and how the specific religion changed that person life. Gotcha.
 

Psalm57

Member
So if a person who makes a life changes from drug abuser and become Muslim that Muslim has the 'holy spirit' and found the truth path of God. Same with Sikhs, Buddhist, and Wiccans.

So, sense a person who goes to church and does drugs and has a bad lifestyle leave the church or chistianity and finds Islam and changes his life according to Islam, Islam has the holy spirit. It all depends on what religion people change to, and how the specific religion changed that person life. Gotcha.
Christianity is the ONLY belief by which a person receives God's Holy Spirit. For instance... in Islam they serve Allah. Allah and the God of the Bible are not the same. Ask any muslim and they will tell you that Allah has no son. God of the Bible DOES have a son and that would be Jesus. One can only receive God's Holy spirit by placing their faith in Jesus as their Savior. The moment a person places their faith in Jesus as their Savior, God sends His Holy Spirit to live in that believer, and they are sealed by God's Holy Spirit which means they will never lose their salvation. Ephesians 1:13-14 states it best.
Ephesians 1:13-14

New International Version (NIV)

13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
 

savethedreams

Active Member
Christianity is the ONLY belief by which a person receives God's Holy Spirit. For instance... in Islam they serve Allah. Allah and the God of the Bible are not the same. Ask any muslim and they will tell you that Allah has no son. God of the Bible DOES have a son and that would be Jesus. One can only receive God's Holy spirit by placing their faith in Jesus as their Savior. The moment a person places their faith in Jesus as their Savior, God sends His Holy Spirit to live in that believer, and they are sealed by God's Holy Spirit which means they will never lose their salvation. Ephesians 1:13-14 states it best.
Ephesians 1:13-14

New International Version (NIV)

13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.


So all the Christians who turned atheist and all the Christians who turned to Islam are automatially saved? Great i make that statement tomorrow.
 
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