How Christians Believe in Jesus

[sojourner]

Well, according to the Bible Jesus said kind of bad things to those who do miracles in the name of Jesus.

"John said to him, 'Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.' But Jesus said, 'Do not stop him; for no one who does a deed of power in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. Whoever is not against us is for us.'" (Mark 9:38-40)

 

[sojourner]

So no one actually wrote down the miracles that they saw Jesus perform. It was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing. So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

If they wrote stuff down, they could be fibbing too. People come to believe through faith, Tradition, reason, and experience.

 

[viole]

So no one actually wrote down the miracles that they saw Jesus perform. It was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing. So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

I would say they believe in Jesus in the same way ancient Greeks believed in Apollo, and my ancestors in Thor.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Eddi]

So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

Yes, faith in the integrity of scripture.

And in the historic record.

 

[1213]

...So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

I believe Jesus, because I think he is correct/right about what he says. I think he tells the truth about people and is correct about what is good and right and his message is good. And because of that, I want to be loyal (faithful) to God and Jesus.

 

[oldbadger]

Actually you are articulating a hyper liberal position. The conservative consensus is the apostles were eyewitnesses, held to their confession of truth even until death and there are many good arguments the New Testament was written during the Apostles lifetime's largely before 70AD

The author of Mark almost certainly did witness most of that gospel, less the later additions.
Matthew needed to copy Mark, almost word for word in places, so he was no witness.
Luke needed to copy Mark and he was nowhere around Jesus or his mission.
Apostly John wrote his gospel circa 100-110 AD and since he didn't have the first clue about any timeline, or when anything actually happened in any accurate order, he clearly was not the disciple John.

How you intertwine political followings with religious beliefs is really very strange.

 

[Kenny]

So no one actually wrote down the miracles that they saw Jesus perform. It was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing. So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

So, if I write down what happened to me when my father sent the family off in a boat over 40 years ago from Venezuela to Spain and didn't let us know he wasn't going... I can't write it down and if I do, it is fibbing?

Hmmm... how short is your memory span?

 

[Jimmy]

So, if I write down what happened to me when my father sent the family off in a boat over 40 years ago from Venezuela to Spain and didn't let us know he wasn't going... I can't write it down and if I do, it is fibbing?

Hmmm... how short is your memory span?

Guess u got me

 

[Kenny]

So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

Faith is a starting point, but it isn't blind faith as in "I just have to believe it with no evidence". We use faith every day and much of it is based on logic.

The reality that all they had to do is produce the body of Jesus Christ would have been more than sufficient to snuff out Christianity... but they couldn't. It was published that he did, they tried to forcibly stop it and couldn't and people died for the truth of it

That is a good beginning place. Not the ending but the beginning.

 

[Jimmy]

Faith is a starting point, but it isn't blind faith as in "I just have to believe it with no evidence". We use faith every day and much of it is based on logic.

The reality that all they had to do is produce the body of Jesus Christ would have been more than sufficient to snuff out Christianity... but they couldn't. It was published that he did, they tried to forcibly stop it and couldn't and people died for the truth of it

That is a good beginning place. Not the ending but the beginning.

Forcibly stop what?

 

[74x12]

So no one actually wrote down the miracles that they saw Jesus perform. It was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing. So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

Faith isn't alone because it's answered a real God.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So no one actually wrote down the miracles that they saw Jesus perform. It was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing. So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

Christ taught love. That’s sufficient for me. His greatest miracle is He transformed the inner being of people to do good. Those who obey Him by serving humanity are a blessing to mankind.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

So no one actually wrote down the miracles that they saw Jesus perform. It was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing. So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

It looks as though you've started a second thread in the same general vein as the first, having not read my comment.

It's simple. Miracles are symbols. They show us God's impact on our life.

People do not believe because of magic tricks or hallucinations or "lies" as you put it.

They believe because of changed lives.
-Peter was a fisherman
-Matthew was a tax collector
-Paul was a Jew charged with hunting Christians
-Constantine was a Roman ruler

All of these had experiences that changed their life. And so did I.

I grew up in the church but for the longest time, I believed Christianity was about being perfect. Then I met Jesus through a girl (well, several girls but they all had common links). I realized that these girls were trying to tell me something about myself.

 

[blü 2]

So no one actually wrote down the miracles that they saw Jesus perform. It was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing. So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

Magic is the alternation of reality independently of the rules of reality.

There is not a single authenticated case of magic in the records.

A miracle is an act of magic attributed to an agent who has no real definition.

I think the level of cred of any miracle report is extremely ─ and I mean extremely ─ low. It's a claim of the kind that requires an extremely ─ and again I mean extremely ─ high quality of demonstration.

And we're still waiting for the ice to be broken.

 

[MJFlores]

So no one actually wrote down the miracles that they saw Jesus perform. It was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing. So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

How do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

Used to be a Catholic, did not believe much in Jesus.
My grandmother was a devotee of the Black Nazarene [a black statue allegedly Jesus]

Every January 9, replicas of the statue is paraded by the fanatical devotees from dawn till dusk.
Growing up as a Catholic, I researched about the Catholic faith, and lo - it was a treasure trove of information

How do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

Look back at history.
After the apostles died, the first Church of Christ was persecuted by the Romans.

Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire occurred intermittently over a period of over two centuries between the Great Fire of Rome in 64 AD under Nero and the Edict of Milan in 313 AD, in which the Roman Emperors Constantine the Great and Licinius legalised the Christian religion.

Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire - Wikipedia

And what kind of Christian religion did the Roman Emperors Constantine the Great and Licinius legalised?

It was the Catholic faith which the word Catholic is not found in the Bible.
The very same Bible which you say was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing.
Anyways the Catholic term is defined by the Catholic Encyclopedia: "The combination "the Catholic Church" (he katholike ekklesia) is found for the first time in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, written about the year 110. " CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Catholic

110 AD - the last apostle who lived was John who died at 100 AD, the word Catholic was coined 10 years after the last apostle of Jesus Christ died. Coined by a guy named Ignatius, who wasn't named in the Bible - a total nobody - no acknowledgement from Paul or any of the apostles.

That started the apostasy. Apostasy was prophesied in the Bible.
Yes that same book which you said was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing.

All doctrines of the first century Church of Christ was repealed and replaced by a set of apostatized versions.
And as you know, the white men helped to propagate this apostatized version of Christianity to many countries.
From the fall of the Roman Empire, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the era of Conquests and to the present age.

Hence, that is how the European white man spread the apostatized version of Christianity around the world.

But tell you what, how do Christians know their Jesus?
Do they really really know their Jesus?
Is that Jesus the genuine Jesus?
Or the fake version? The apostatized Jesus?

2 Corinthians 11:4 New International Version (NIV)
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

For all you know the world is believing a Jesus other than the Jesus, the apostles preached. And that is fanaticism [not faith] alone.

 

[Kenny]

Forcibly stop what?

The message that Jesus Christ rose from the dead and the preaching of His name

 

[Kenny]

Magic is the alternation of reality independently of the rules of reality.

There is not a single authenticated case of magic in the records.

A miracle is an act of magic attributed to an agent who has no real definition.

I think the level of cred of any miracle report is extremely ─ and I mean extremely ─ low. It's a claim of the kind that requires an extremely ─ and again I mean extremely ─ high quality of demonstration.

And we're still waiting for the ice to be broken.

Since my friend, from decades ago, has it written down on her report from John Hopkins hospital having broken her spine, then we can call that miracles are for today.

Broke her back in a skying accident. Hospital tried to bridge it three time and failed and gave her the edict that she shouldn't life anything heavier than five pounds and have no children.

After a healing meeting realized she wasn't in pain. Got ex-rays and it was completely healed and two babies later...
their report: "We can only say that it was a miracle"

 

[Riders]

Well there were apparent eye witnesses who transmitted the events orally. As per Luke's admission, he used various eye witnesses as sources.

Also loads of Christians died for these beliefs so it is most likely that they honestly believed that Jesus rose from the dead.

So with the combination of people dying for the belief, the pretty quick growth of Christianity, the fact that there are so many copies of the books which is highly unusual for literature at the time (which shows zeal), persecution and many other things, I can understand why Christians believe what they do. But mainly there is an individuals personal experiences that are a basis of their faith.

So yes, there could have been fibbing, but emphasis of "could". There could "not" have been fibbing too.

Also, history isn't set in stone. With almost any proof we have of history, we could say there "could" have been something else happening, but we need proof of such to change our minds. History works on "what is most likely" based on evidence as we might not have all the information.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest the scripture is not true however like all the ways in which scripture contradicts itself and messes up the facts in the bible . The fact that there are lots of lost scriptures which many believe were the true scriptures. The Gnostic Gospels infact.

Nobody really signed the Gospels so we don't know whow rote them. How about the fact that they date back to 70 to 100 AD? There is no proof any person Jesus os Nazareth existed.

 

[Riders]

Sense theres different sects of Christianity and we have many different bibles which one are you speaking about the Book OF Mormon, The Jehovah's Witness bible? The King James, the Catholic bible?

 

[Riders]

How do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

Used to be a Catholic, did not believe much in Jesus.
My grandmother was a devotee of the Black Nazarene [a black statue allegedly Jesus]

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Every January 9, replicas of the statue is paraded by the fanatical devotees from dawn till dusk.
Growing up as a Catholic, I researched about the Catholic faith, and lo - it was a treasure trove of information

How do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

Look back at history.
After the apostles died, the first Church of Christ was persecuted by the Romans.

View attachment 40884

Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire occurred intermittently over a period of over two centuries between the Great Fire of Rome in 64 AD under Nero and the Edict of Milan in 313 AD, in which the Roman Emperors Constantine the Great and Licinius legalised the Christian religion.

Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire - Wikipedia

And what kind of Christian religion did the Roman Emperors Constantine the Great and Licinius legalised?

It was the Catholic faith which the word Catholic is not found in the Bible.
The very same Bible which you say was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing.
Anyways the Catholic term is defined by the Catholic Encyclopedia: "The combination "the Catholic Church" (he katholike ekklesia) is found for the first time in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, written about the year 110. " CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Catholic

110 AD - the last apostle who lived was John who died at 100 AD, the word Catholic was coined 10 years after the last apostle of Jesus Christ died. Coined by a guy named Ignatius, who wasn't named in the Bible - a total nobody - no acknowledgement from Paul or any of the apostles.

That started the apostasy. Apostasy was prophesied in the Bible.
Yes that same book which you said was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing.

All doctrines of the first century Church of Christ was repealed and replaced by a set of apostatized versions.
And as you know, the white men helped to propagate this apostatized version of Christianity to many countries.
From the fall of the Roman Empire, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the era of Conquests and to the present age.

View attachment 40885

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Hence, that is how the European white man spread the apostatized version of Christianity around the world.

But tell you what, how do Christians know their Jesus?
Do they really really know their Jesus?
Is that Jesus the genuine Jesus?
Or the fake version? The apostatized Jesus?

2 Corinthians 11:4 New International Version (NIV)
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

For all you know the world is believing a Jesus other than the Jesus, the apostles preached. And that is fanaticism [not faith] alone.

Great reply.