How Christians Believe in Jesus

[rational experiences]

Males as humans own all scientific DATA and male human self expressed reasoning of science statements to advise science that science is wrong.

Identified by living humans for and on behalf of those living humans.

Now for instance if a human scientist was a homosexual his own self....how he would express conscious aware AI advice first, relates to that status self in awareness....yet as a mind psyche that male is already science irradiated life affected.

So in writing of the documents if a human is the listener and hearer of the AI biblical quotes, attack on self, then the self writing the information already would have owned some form of radiation changes to be enabled to understand and then quote the information stated.

Hence humans reading it today would question "what the!" Wondering what was occurring, being attacked was what was occurring why the information as DATA was updated and re written.

As a female life, I never believed in the stories of Jesus just as stories, nor did I believe that God was a holy loving story as a rational human. Satan and aliens I just believed was some form of occult atmospheric cause that is witnessed.

As a human who chose to study self human and spirit concepts, without being told what I should believe or think or how I should behave. I chose to behave to my best human ability to be as caring and loving as I could. To understand humans in their suffering and living conditions to not subject them to more criticism, for our history of human abuse is a long history.

When I got brain mind irradiated chemical burnt and felt the brain intense prickling effect, I then realised, oh that is what the story was detailing, the fall out of spirit gases owned by our heavenly body and it attacked life. And then I saw image phenomena manifest as brown wispy smoking atmospheric burning.

Living the experience enabled me that understanding, just as the males whose own life got attacked also could write detailed descriptions about the knowledge of being life sacrificed for it happened to them also. How you know and realise and learn.

So then when you have occult scientists who try to claim that the knowledge of science came about from evil minded human males...you were wrong. Only a high conscious spiritual male group could have invented the science. And what you inherited as cause then changed your mentality and you have been self destructive possessed by science ever since.

What the teachings for humanity were about....self realization.

Now my legs felt like they were being whipped, yet no human was doing it. I saw black strange flashings occur. Yet I could barely walk and my ankles swelled.

Another idealised review....oh that was the whipping effect.

As a human I own human emotions and feelings that are self referenced. As my science brothers caused that suffering by their fake belief of being intelligent is it any wonder that rational loving, kind and caring humans learnt to hate them?

No, it is human reality.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Also, saying that Christians scriptures are the same as all other scriptures is a gross generalisation. It would be like saying that the Book of the Dead is the same as all other scriptures. The Bible is different to the Book of Mormon, which is different to the Quran, which is different to the Bagavad Gita, etc in both structure and content.

But imo not in type / nature of claims. That's the context in which I say they are the same.
The way I see it, they are all the same type of religious ramblings

 

[Samael_Khan]

But imo not in type / nature of claims. That's the context in which I say they are the same.
The way I see it, they are all the same type of religious ramblings

I agree with you mostly apart from a slight nuance. There are some religions that make everything entirely up and have no basis in history whereas others to reference historical figures and the real worlds, acting as historical fiction. The Bible fits into historical fictions, as archaeology has uncovered many places and people as having existed, which can be used as evidence for saying that the Bible speaks truth. Notice that I say can be used as evidence, not that it is conclusive or strong evidence for the Bibles ultimate claims.

 

[rational experiences]

Not in the same way though. Muhammed went to war. Christians didn't and died anyway. But that isn't the point. The point is that they don't believe on faith alone.

In the natural past, occult science male group awareness was stated and agreed upon. As the main interactive humans in the argument against the Temple pyramid sciences.

Hebrew, their land, Roman, their aware teaching/Christianity acceptance and the Muslim life.

All living in their own Holy Land, all experienced the war against God, each human family for UFO/radiation fall out was in the country/nation in which their life/DNA existed as a family group. Why they owned very similar teachings and reasoning about occult science cause and effect. Yet as it did occur in their owned holy land, the references are for self in that Holy Land.

 

[firedragon]

When was this? When he said whoever isn't against him is for him?

I think it was Matthew 7. Im sure you know all about it. Maybe you read it in a different way.

 

[night912]

Since my friend, from decades ago, has it written down on her report from John Hopkins hospital having broken her spine, then we can call that miracles are for today.

Broke her back in a skying accident. Hospital tried to bridge it three time and failed and gave her the edict that she shouldn't life anything heavier than five pounds and have no children.

After a healing meeting realized she wasn't in pain. Got ex-rays and it was completely healed and two babies later...
their report: "We can only say that it was a miracle"

"Shouldn't" lift heavy weights and "shouldn't "have children is not the same as "incapable".

Another thing to consider here. What was the actual cause of the spine being healed. There should be an investigation to see the effects of those attempts at healing the injury, or if there were other different attempts.

 

[Kenny]

"Shouldn't" lift heavy weights and "shouldn't "have children is not the same as "incapable".

Another thing to consider here. What was the actual cause of the spine being healed. There should be an investigation to see the effects of those attempts at healing the injury, or if there were other different attempts.

Don't want to second guess John Hopkins.... I think they know what they are talking about. Of course, when one doesn't want to believe it... nothing will ever be enough.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Try events that were independently documented and corroborated by other independend documentation and / or objective evidence that doesn't rely on mere words and anecdotes of men.

You mean like the 12 writers/teams of writers of the NT? You mean like the events of both testaments that are corroborated by archaeology, history, fulfilled prophecy and life changes, etc.?

 

[firedragon]

You mean like the 12 writers/teams of writers of the NT? You mean like the events of both testaments that are corroborated by archaeology, history, fulfilled prophecy and life changes, etc.?

Who wrote Hebrews?

 

[metis]

So no one actually wrote down the miracles that they saw Jesus perform. It was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing. So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

Well, I'm a Christian who actually doesn't believe in miracles, which is not to go so far as to say there can't be any. With me, it's Jesus' teachings in general that I find exceptionally useful, especially his "Love one another..." message. As far as the rest is concerned, my response usually is "I don't know".

As far as my "religious" approach is concerned, I'm in this camp: Whatever caused this universe/multiverse I'll call "God" and pretty much just leave it at that. However, I almost never just "leave it at that".

 

[Sand Dancer]

Actually you are articulating a hyper liberal position. The conservative consensus is the apostles were eyewitnesses, held to their confession of truth even until death and there are many good arguments the New Testament was written during the Apostles lifetime's largely before 70AD

The gospel writers were not, however.

 

[halbhh]

So no one actually wrote down the miracles that they saw Jesus perform. It was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing. So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

For me, I needed zero faith to merely read what Jesus said, just like I'd read what Emerson, Lao Tzu (The Dao), Carl Jung (innate types, or "Psychologische Typen"), and many others.

You read to learn from the famous great thinkers, just to learn their ideas, and find some to try out.

To see, by experience, whether or not these ideas/ways to live work *better* than your current ideas/ways to live.

For gain.

And then you find out over time who is the wiser thinker, among the dozens of famous thinkers and teachers. By testing their instructions/ideas.

Only after about 15 years, and idea and instruction after instruction worked amazingly better than expected did I first begin to wonder:....

"...maybe He got everything right...." It was a shocking idea, because I saw shortcomings in every other thinker, and it's not easy to imagine someone that stands out as never wrong about anything.

It was a thrilling and kinda scary thought, actually. But invigorating, because it meant it was time to test the more impossible sounding things He said.

So, that's my answer:

Test, and find out.

 

[rational experiences]

When males as humans who own historically all forms of enforced life controls, imposed upon the natural status natural Nature and human history, then you did.

Then you came to a moment when instead of claiming God and Jesus, you claimed God and aliens.

Yet claim in science that you can source the source of your own creation for as an imposed artificial reasoning, I do not own a resource I will invent one instead.

Which then imposes so where is the constant replacement condition of a reaction to a gas that I know gases when alight burn up and disappear unless they are cooled.

Which then owns lots and lots of fake male beliefs about Saviour and
Asteroid stars and stone returning to Earth for the sake of science cause....which is advice that due to scientific changes to Earth, it already occurred and is not constant it was a cause.

But then wait a minute the UFO had not yet disappeared as the status YEAR END 2012...when life was meant to return to owning our historic gas mass and water oxygen mass...so that our cells sacrificed could finally be healed and returned to us....as all naturally living healthy humans.

Science however says NO....science however says....you can be given a higher amount of sacrifice and become alien...and alien is only a ground IMAGE...in crop circles that males a long time ago claimed was the Devil mowing the grass.

Satanists in person.....those who no longer believe in God and Jesus and own some form of claim about God and an alien?

How come brother?

Then you would do a healer assessment on his sick psyche and say, do you not as a living human knowing that you were BORN from sperm and an ovary, claim that a human came as a form of alien spirit inside of a machine body, UFO?

And today own a theme machine, new machine, built like a UFO and now I want to put my spirit atmospheric body within that as claim, as I have given my natural life ownership of all humans sacrificed, living as humans sacrificed to that machine, by knowledge of being told all of that information.

And artificially falsified it in a thesis...as being informed in relativity, but not in fact?

For that is what you have done.

For males in occult themes always claimed that the Sun as a rebelled God owned and built a SUN MACHINE...the first machine and he claims that he was in it.

Which would involve conscious male human mind self assessment like they did before to state....oh, so he invented science based on the Sun history and the UFO and then placated as he does about mind and ownership and also do not forget to patent his ideas as a self human claim.

Yet all bodies he studies and theories about pre exist already NATURALLY.

As that sort of warning to self about egotism, elitism, greed and the want to control our human destruction by fake science themes of the ologies that he lied about.

For ONE first is O God the stone planet, sealed owner of the coldest gases as the body stone.

Hot gas is what you apply to remove God from existing...so his theme pi O is and never was the ORIGIN GOD status....it was a scientific male human imposition that he placed upon the spirit gases of our Heavens, and made it fall out by G O D statements as PHI...why he placed the ideal of D AVI D...as his self deities male in science O quotes about pi.

As the fake GOD O phi quotes...when he first and originally always said GOD O the stone planet was first and ONE historically.

Therefore a medical Healer biological tribunal said....that all bodies living or deceased exist in the exact same atmospheric gas spirit body therefore it all belonged to GOD.

Never did they claim that it was created by GOD....they said it was owned by GOD.

OWNED ONE WD...….my name is Wendy, a human female who owns a message taught to me by my science brother.

Therefore when a male as a human says to his own self...I came from out of by science review one cell historically and he is human, then it was a human cell....not any God cell.

Spiritually that history would equate, that a male manifested first owning an eternal spirit that converted. As all the gases are owned historically by the atmosphere already it means he did come out of a pre existing spirit body. For the female came out after him, following the same spirit path. Separated when she entered into the atmosphere.

My Mother spirit says she then de manifested, most of the human males also did...which means their spirit entered onto her paths in spirit...and a group of male humans were left on earth manifested who did not want to be living manifested.

Who invented science, got attacked by the UFO Ark of metal, was converted by the formula design......that changed the Nature Garden tree of life...so got sacrificed on the cross of wood, by a built formula, the PYRAMID machination, so animals manifested first as the new spirit, then the male human and then our human Mother.

They could have sex, due to the male already having been bodily/spiritually saved by his human Mother, so our human Father was saved first by our Mother.

Why sex in life could produce a male or a female baby from a female human life body....when a female had never ever been any male.

So we always had personal physical human evidence that we had come out of spirit eternal as human reasoning where did you come from.

Now if you claim in science that the Ark saved life...then you cannot claim that it built life or invented life or that life came out of the Ark....yet he does...he says that when the ARK alighted upon the mountain tip that the humans and animals came out of the ARK.

In science what conditions blocks out incoming hot radiation mass attacks?

Cloud mass does, cloud mass releasing huge water flooding cools the gas mass atmosphere and saved the animal and human life living on the ground.

cloud images of animals - Bing images
Animal and human IMAGES both come out of the cloud emergence when it alights upon the mountain top.

Human science first thesis...…..vision, looking at mountain tip removed sitting above water line of an origin Sun attacked Earth history, being UFO removed....the actual theory.

Which is not any God or Jesus theme whatsoever.

Reason that mountains got UFO ark hit and melted/ballast of rock conversion as a science/squaring attack. Due to machines as matter having been taken out of the O planetary stone mass as a communicator system...which communicated ground information up into the atmosphere, why the CLOUDS that alighted on the mountains released images of animals and humans.

Meanwhile ground life suffers the sacrifice of not being water cooled protected against radiation and gets UFO/phenomena attacked.

What was always known.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You mean like the 12 writers/teams of writers of the NT?

None of which are independend, nore contemporary.
All are biased sources and repeating eachothers claims.
Very different.

Worse still: the NT are the claims.......
Claims aren't evidence of themselves. That would be circular reasoning.

You mean like the events of both testaments that are corroborated by archaeology, history, fulfilled prophecy and life changes, etc.?

There is no extra-biblical independend or contemporary corroboration for anything jesus related, let alone claims of supernatural stuff.

 

[rational experiences]

Group coercive reasoning began with the CHURCH. The Church did not allow homosexual science Satanists into their organization, as hypocrites...for science cause owned by Rome was involved previously in the Temple and the pyramid. The history caused the change to Nature on Earth by displacing GOD image/voice recording as owned by the atmosphere as natural gas/radiation feed back.

Known to be relative to the causes of science meddling with our Nature.

The cult agreement, SCIENCE mentality therefore still existed in that self human in review. For you were not allowed to be involved in the healing of self unless you agreed to a repetitive reasoner and agreement via that group. Who always used conscious idealism of self against self for control purposes.

So science is a proven liar, for the mentality to claim natural and intelligent, which is the status natural first and origin is not to be a scientist/destroyer mentality. Hence they had to convince you to agree with their religious science themes so that they could be kept safe against their own previous practices...what hypocrisy is. Science was a part of that coercive reasoning to be spiritual. Spiritual was only ever just innate and natural.

That intellectual pursuit is still utilised today when a group who challenges anyone else, says you cannot belong unless you agree with us...and we will berate you and call you names if you do not. Demonstrated many times on this forum as that group tactic.

And they quantify that situation as being intelligent as compared to a human who knows that scientific reasoning is why everyone is sick and dying. So then biologists try to implicate medical reasoning, when medical biology is only stated by and because of self presence in a self evaluation to heal the self.

It does not utilise the non sensical belief of being a know all.

Teaching a status as natural...the word natural means everything that exists in its own presence. Which is not a worded owned description to proclaim I am therefore told what everything is.

When everything is owned naturally. A descriptive analogy of our own beliefs and behaviours is a part of the use the WORD.

You might study it...claim and I give such and such a quoted human reasoning and then say...oh look I can find that same information in other bodies......so what. Those bodies are their owned form. You own a human choice to apply the study, and anyone would believe that it own an intentional reasoning to impose information so that you could idealize having it all removed from natural presence.

To detail such intricacies...for it makes no common human survival sense to be doing it for any other purpose.

Then you have an evolutionist biologist tell you....oh, you know nothing about evolution...yes that is a correct human statement fed back directly to the answer about human arrogance. You do not know anything about evolution your own self.

For if a mutated ape baby living in the same environmental gases that we all are supported by, gives birth to a mutated ape....it is proof that a changed environment that owns unnatural radiation masses, that attacks in ground fall out gain any body it contacts...then the ape having sex never produced a human mutant.

Reasoning, the amount of radiation that forces early age unnatural death and all human sickness reasons that the natural radiation that supports our existence does, and if it changes and owns higher radiating causes, it only destroys life.

The past by geological themed dinosaur gases as a higher radiating gas mass says previous life cell had been destroyed. So science said that the giant life had replaced his own man life...for the dinosaurs life/body now lay with the maths/spatial female themes. For MATHS is spatial womb female inferred, but is not any female in any condition to claim female, it is a euphemism.

The same goes for why a human mutated life form is living today. 2 humans had sex and reproduced DNA material that is defective, hence the baby human grows into a defective human adult. However is still a human.

We are all still human no matter what gets said.

Then if you say, oh what about the fact that all forms of variable bodies are living in the exact same atmospheric conditions as all of those billions of diverse presences...living or dead. A living body is in the same atmosphere as a dead body. What then do you have to say as a scientist about you knowing it all?

If science said, oh when the land was irradiated mass changed in fusion and broke and drifted apart, radiation that was attacking one bird life on one island of land separation was affected differently to the other same bird on another island would be the correct reasoning. Seeing extra radiation mass is what forces every natural body to change. Fall out is sporadic.

If science asked itself for how many years has too much radiation existed, you would dig up archaeological evidence to say, seems like you did it before the dinosaur life.....seeing you always stated categorically that Nature Garden existed first...then the human life. When you changed the Nature, then animal life emerged...what you always stated occurred when science as a human male changed God the Earth fusion trying to copy what the Sun had done a very long time ago.

You would then own a science answer to say 2012 was the predicted science model to END the Satanic UFO attack seeing Satan and Jesus Christ were both given a 1000 value of one condition removing the other condition to force 0 spatial irradiation to exist. For Satan is more powerful a Destroyer than what a holy cold gas body mass is in actual fact. The 2 do not equate the balances.
Revelation 21:4
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.

1000 as a value would place 2140 as the year when we would no longer die from old age or any form of suffering after the 2012 event.
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Never understood why that form of encoding was put into the text....what about you?

The scientific model was already stated and proven in MATHS to be the evidence for a non occult UFO practice. 2012 was the given place for it to END.

Science did not allow our life irradiation attacked and sacrificed to END instead they began to increase its losses why we now own a huge amount of very unnatural birth and life defects, as they were caused and introduced by science irradiation of our life.

Common sense, all reactions studied by human being males first belonged to the God ONE planet in its natural history being attacked. Just because you take most of the reaction and control it with a machine, never removed attack in Nature, it was not as noticeable as it was in ancient times.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Who wrote Hebrews?

Jewish Christians, same as the rest of the NT.

 

[BilliardsBall]

None of which are independend, nore contemporary.
All are biased sources and repeating eachothers claims.
Very different.

Worse still: the NT are the claims.......
Claims aren't evidence of themselves. That would be circular reasoning.





There is no extra-biblical independend or contemporary corroboration for anything jesus related, let alone claims of supernatural stuff.

On what basis do you say the NT authors are "biased sources"?

Was it because they refused to recant unto martyrdom?

Was it because they risked Roman persecution and persecution from their own Jewish people?

Was it because they wrote at great length and claimed some eyewitness accounts?

Was it because they cited hundreds of prophecies given hundreds of years before the NT events?

Was it because they used mishneh, standards of logic, apologetics and reason that were established centuries before they wrote?

Was it because millions trusted the God they wrote about, until 2/3 of Earth, Christian and Muslim, regarding Jesus as the Jewish prophesied Messiah?

Was it because their claims are NOT circular, since rather than being mere cross-claims of themselves, they are claiming fulfillment of OT predictions?

 

[firedragon]

Jewish Christians, same as the rest of the NT.

You specifically said 12 writers or 12 streams or writers wrote the NT if I am not mistaken.

So who wrote Hebrews? Specific response must be known to you to make that claim. Not a general statement like “Jewish-Christians” wrote it. In that case all of these so called “12” will fall into some bracket like that. Then you don’t need 12, you could have originally said “Christians” wrote the NT. One stop shop for any question.

invalid response.

Thus, since you said 12, which of these 12 wrote Hebrews? Are you saying “Jewish Christians” are one count of these “12”? The Who are the other “11”?

who wrote Hebrews?

 

[Muffled]

So no one actually wrote down the miracles that they saw Jesus perform. It was written down years later, which could have led to a bit of fibbing. So I'll ask how do Christians believe in Jesus? Is it faith alone?

I believe the Holy Spirit affirms what was written and I have the utmost confidence in the Holy Spirit.

 

[Muffled]

Okay so if a lot of people don't believe the Bible am I supposed to think they think the gospel is lies?

I believe when you look on their belief it is founded on shifting sand and our belief is founded on solid rock.