How come the occult is a sin?

[Robert.Evans]

God would never use a spirit medium to communicate with his faithful servants.

Who and what then is Jesus?

 

[Angel1]

1. Spirit communication is as old as man. It is a real means of obtaining information from Beyond, very much like using a telephone. However, because the people in Biblical times were not morally or intellectually evolved, they were warned to stay away from such activities because of the high risk of them being fooled, misled and harmed.

a) Not wrong. It was a common practice by royalty and those in the upper rankings of society at the time, in most places. However, the information obtained are often not reliable or misleading.

b) Yes.

2. Again, the reason is to safeguard those who are weak and gullible from being misled. If one feels that he can handle the risks and his motives are pure, then he can and should avail of this source of information. Earthly laws are not God’s laws. Use your power of reasoning, always.

3. Same as above.

4. Same reasons apply.

Here are some insights that should clarify the laws, practices and implications relating to spirit communication. Excerpt from: ‘Secrets of the kingdom’ / The teachings of the Holy Spirit 2 http://goo.gl/o14Qe9, an Amazon Kindle book.

Limitations of the student

Contrary to what most people believe, our life did not begin when we were born. In fact, we were already existing before this world was created. We have come a long way but we have only just begun. The road stretches farther still.

We are presently, each of us, at a particular stage in the order of evolution. We have already learned much and experienced much which have shaped our character and conditioned our attitudes and predispositions. We have enabled ourselves to easily comprehend many things by intuitively remembering the essence of those lessons which we have already learned in our past lives. We have also developed many of our faculties and abilities, which can just as easily be made available to us in this life.

From here, we move on to new lessons, but this time, progress proceeds more slowly. This explains why each of us understands differently, why we have different inborn abilities, talents, likes and dislikes and why each has different needs that require special attention.

Some of us are more ready to turn spiritual than others, owing to their having had more incarnations and more experiences. Those who are more advanced will be more open and ready for these teachings, they having satisfied much of their worldly cravings in lives past. Similarly, they will be entitled to receive much higher instruction than the others who are still in the lower stages of development.

Limitations of mediums

Likewise, mediums, including the prophets of old, although supposed to be servants of the Lord are not necessarily already very highly evolved spiritually. Every one of them is still a student undergoing specialized instruction and training. They have attained to varying levels of spiritual attainment and spiritual understanding. Their mediumistic abilities are proficient to the degree to which they have developed them in their past lives. However, depending on their level in the order of evolution, they still do many foolish things and are themselves full of superstitions. In addition, they commit a lot of mistakes, besides. Therefore, concerning any message relayed through them, there will always be some amount of distortion.

Where complex concepts are involved, these must first be understood and interpreted by the medium before he may effectively relay the information. But there are many higher principles that are beyond the ordinary medium’s capacity to comprehend. Such principles will filter out like coded messages and the student will then have to read between the lines.

Where thoughts and not the actual words are transmitted by the Spirits, the mediums have to translate them into their own words drawing from their poor vocabulary. In fact, our own English and all other languages combined are so thoroughly deficient in describing higher spiritual principles and deeper truths. Therefore, in the translation into words, so much is lost.

Where the medium disagrees with any message or if such message runs counter to his strongly held beliefs, he is bound to resist and even issue a contrary message which is more in accord with his own understanding and belief.

Sometimes, the medium may have a vested interest in matters relating to the communication. It takes a very highly evolved and ethical person not to take advantage by influencing the message to suit his own objectives. Many mediums fall short of this criterion.

Mediums also have a tendency to affect the quality and tone of the message depending on whether they like or dislike the students under instruction. Similarly, any serious character flaw or deficiency on the part of the medium will taint the messages.

Further, each medium has his own field of specialization. Some are especially knowledgeable as far as the principles and teachings are concerned. Others focus more on the development of mediumship, while others are particularly competent only in the healing aspects of the teachings.

In all these, it is important to remember that no matter how pure the water you pour into the glass, the water gets contaminated if the glass is dirty. And no medium is perfectly clean or thoroughly competent.

Limitations of the Communicating Spirit

There is always a Spirit-in-charge of the proceedings. We also have our own guardian angels to assist us. However, owing to the need for specialized knowledge depending on the lesson at hand, all classes of spirits are allowed to communicate with us. Just like us, they, too, have different degrees of knowledge, different abilities, styles and viewpoints. We shall know them by their language and the thoughts that they impart.

We should continue to allow them to communicate with us for as long as the messages and guidance they provide bring good. However, once the opposite becomes true, then we should be wary and act accordingly, even to the extent of terminating the communication.

 

[Yoshua]

Limitations of the student

Contrary to what most people believe, our life did not begin when we were born. In fact, we were already existing before this world was created. We have come a long way but we have only just begun. The road stretches farther still.

We are presently, each of us, at a particular stage in the order of evolution. We have already learned much and experienced much which have shaped our character and conditioned our attitudes and predispositions. We have enabled ourselves to easily comprehend many things by intuitively remembering the essence of those lessons which we have already learned in our past lives. We have also developed many of our faculties and abilities, which can just as easily be made available to us in this life.

From here, we move on to new lessons, but this time, progress proceeds more slowly. This explains why each of us understands differently, why we have different inborn abilities, talents, likes and dislikes and why each has different needs that require special attention.

Some of us are more ready to turn spiritual than others, owing to their having had more incarnations and more experiences. Those who are more advanced will be more open and ready for these teachings, they having satisfied much of their worldly cravings in lives past. Similarly, they will be entitled to receive much higher instruction than the others who are still in the lower stages of development.

Limitations of mediums

Likewise, mediums, including the prophets of old, although supposed to be servants of the Lord are not necessarily already very highly evolved spiritually. Every one of them is still a student undergoing specialized instruction and training. They have attained to varying levels of spiritual attainment and spiritual understanding. Their mediumistic abilities are proficient to the degree to which they have developed them in their past lives. However, depending on their level in the order of evolution, they still do many foolish things and are themselves full of superstitions. In addition, they commit a lot of mistakes, besides. Therefore, concerning any message relayed through them, there will always be some amount of distortion.

Where complex concepts are involved, these must first be understood and interpreted by the medium before he may effectively relay the information. But there are many higher principles that are beyond the ordinary medium’s capacity to comprehend. Such principles will filter out like coded messages and the student will then have to read between the lines.

Where thoughts and not the actual words are transmitted by the Spirits, the mediums have to translate them into their own words drawing from their poor vocabulary. In fact, our own English and all other languages combined are so thoroughly deficient in describing higher spiritual principles and deeper truths. Therefore, in the translation into words, so much is lost.

Where the medium disagrees with any message or if such message runs counter to his strongly held beliefs, he is bound to resist and even issue a contrary message which is more in accord with his own understanding and belief.

Sometimes, the medium may have a vested interest in matters relating to the communication. It takes a very highly evolved and ethical person not to take advantage by influencing the message to suit his own objectives. Many mediums fall short of this criterion.

Mediums also have a tendency to affect the quality and tone of the message depending on whether they like or dislike the students under instruction. Similarly, any serious character flaw or deficiency on the part of the medium will taint the messages.

Further, each medium has his own field of specialization. Some are especially knowledgeable as far as the principles and teachings are concerned. Others focus more on the development of mediumship, while others are particularly competent only in the healing aspects of the teachings.

In all these, it is important to remember that no matter how pure the water you pour into the glass, the water gets contaminated if the glass is dirty. And no medium is perfectly clean or thoroughly competent.

Hi Angel,

No mediums is a prophet of God. God used the prophets as His speaker to people of the Old Testament. It is clear that mediums or spiritists are not from God. This is what God have said in Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12
10. "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
11. "or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
12. "For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.

Leviticus 19:31
31. Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.

Leviticus 20:6
6. And the person who turns after mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.

Limitations of the Communicating Spirit

There is always a Spirit-in-charge of the proceedings. We also have our own guardian angels to assist us. However, owing to the need for specialized knowledge depending on the lesson at hand, all classes of spirits are allowed to communicate with us. Just like us, they, too, have different degrees of knowledge, different abilities, styles and viewpoints. We shall know them by their language and the thoughts that they impart.

We should continue to allow them to communicate with us for as long as the messages and guidance they provide bring good. However, once the opposite becomes true, then we should be wary and act accordingly, even to the extent of terminating the communication.

Yes, absolutely that all classes of spirits can communicate with us, but not of them are allowed by God. All spirits apart from the Holy Spirit are not from God. Some camouflaged as the spirit guide claiming as the Spirit of Truth. The Spirit that can communicate with man is the Spirit that was given by God through Jesus Christ, that is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth.
2 Cor. 11:14
14. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.

Angel of darkness can claimed as the angel of light/spirit guides or angel of God for they don't believe in the salvation offered by Christ.
1 John 4:1
1. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Thanks

 

[Angel1]

Hi Angel,

No mediums is a prophet of God. God used the prophets as His speaker to people of the Old Testament. It is clear that mediums or spiritists are not from God. This is what God have said in Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12
10. "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
11. "or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
12. "For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.

Leviticus 19:31
31. Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.

Leviticus 20:6
6. And the person who turns after mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.

Yes, absolutely that all classes of spirits can communicate with us, but not of them are allowed by God. All spirits apart from the Holy Spirit are not from God. Some camouflaged as the spirit guide claiming as the Spirit of Truth. The Spirit that can communicate with man is the Spirit that was given by God through Jesus Christ, that is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth.
2 Cor. 11:14
14. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.

Angel of darkness can claimed as the angel of light/spirit guides or angel of God for they don't believe in the salvation offered by Christ.
1 John 4:1
1. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Thanks

You can believe whatever you want to believe. I believe differently. And I have already explained my position to you. But it is alright if you disagree.