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How could Adam know?
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Jeremiah
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I see, so you can only insult people but you can't actually add anything of worth to the conversation.
Btw, Jay, I knew you would cop-out.
AFTER they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Try reading my posts next time, because I said exactly that.
BTW, they were winged sphinxes, not angels.
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This is an ancient myth. You can't analyze it on the same level as modern literature; you have to read it VERY deeply, and you have to really STUDY STUDY STUDY it in order to discover its true worth and its placement in the Torah.
Basically, you just asked Jay to write a book on the story, or become your personal tutor. Tell me: for you, would that be worth your time?
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God is holy and he did not make the first man and woman to be sinful or force them to do bad. Instead, God endows humans with the gift of freedom of choice. Joshua 24:15 and other scriptures show God allows humans to make moral choices. And not just humans. His spirit sons also enjoy this freedom. God wants people to serve him because they love Him and because they realize it is only right and proper to subject themselves to their Maker and Life-giver.
As Sovereign of the Universe, Jehovah set a reasonable limit to what Adam and Eve could do. The tree God put out of bounds symbolized the all-wise Creators right to decide what is good and what is bad. It was bad for them to eat it's fruit, since God said it was.
God thus caused the eating of that fruit to symbolize that the eater comes to a knowledge that enables him to decide for himself what is good or what is bad for man. Eve's and Adam's eating from the tree was in fact a rebellion against God's authority, instigated by a spirit person who turned wicked by exercising his own free will in defying God.
That vile and willful act brought death and untold suffering to all men (Romans 5:12). In his love, God has made arrangements to undo the harm caused by Adam, Eve, and Satan.
As to Adam's ability to understand what eternal life means, God has put this desire into our hearts. Had Adam not sinned, he would not have died and would be alive today.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
First off, Adam died at about 930 years old, not later. For all we know, it might have only been 50 years after the fall when he died. Second, as many Sunday school students could tell you, there was no death before the fall. Some churches will even teach that all living things, within the Garden of Eden, ate only fruits and vegetables.
And, I recommend you check out a non-denominational church. You will be surprised with the lack of threats of hellfire and brimstone.
And if you read the Bible, everything for Adam and Eve was provided. They didn't have tools in the Garden because they didn't need them. And God did tell them both to not eat from the Tree of Knowledge.
And, I do not see a conspiracy between God and the Devil. The Devil acted of his own accord, and convinced Eve to eat the from the Tree of Knowledge. Eve then convinced Adam to do the same.
The Devil? :biglaugh: This is laughable: you understand nothing of Genesis. Stop embarrassing youself.
djewleu
Member
Oh!?...
So, this verse is not true?
Revelation 20:2, "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years."
OK. That's fine with me. I actually believe there is no such beast.
Likewise for the Elohim Jehovah.
It's all defected brain cells.
[PS: Who first saw the Serpent in the Garden, I insist?]
Cobblestones
Devoid of Ettiquette
Sojourner: I note with interest that you avoided this invitation. I too would like to know your thoughts. Thus far in all our conversations I have yet to understand what you think Christianity actually is. I'd be interested in your ideas about this story. Indeed, I'd be interested to know what you think the central doctrine of Christianity is.
Cobblestones
Devoid of Ettiquette
Pretty weird for an omnipotent being...
Ah come on, give the guy a break! He was having a "bad god day"!! We all have them....
It take a special kind of mind to rely on Revelations to explicate Genesis, a mind crying out to placed on an ignore list ...
"Original sin" did not exist for the original tellers of the story, therefore it was NOT in any way the original meaning.
That wasn't the devil! There's NOTHING in the story to indicate the serpent is Satan.
Cobblestones
Devoid of Ettiquette
You do realize how incredibly stupid a concept this is, don't you. That's like saying that I ought to have been born and raised in a prison because my great-great-great grandfather committed murder.
As Jeremiah pointed out:
If god is omnipotent then he knew what the choice would be and yet he went ahead and created people with this mystical "free will" that you're talking about.
Oh, and BTW, there is no such thing as free will in the Christian doctrine. Observe:
And again, speaking of “those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus”:
That verse was written THOUSANDS of years after the story was first being told around the fire place.
The Biblical canon is made of several books, it is NOT just one book.
Cobblestones
Devoid of Ettiquette
True. That is a Christian fiction. Indeed, all of Christianity rests on this idea of original sin. Take it away and none of the epistles make any sense.
djewleu
Member
Correct.
No god with integrity of character would create a quasi-perfect Garden and next prohibit part of its content to an innocent pair!
Better create NOTHING!!!
Pretty dishonest, and a fallacious policy.
Therefore: Christians believe all sorts of the weirdest of superstitions.
Allow me, then, to believe the moon is made of French Roquefort cheese.
Tell you what, guys. I'll tell you what the story, ON ITS OWN TERMS, is about. Remember: ignore the rest of the Biblical canon:
The story is applicable. It means something different for different people. For me, it's a story about adolescence. For historians, it's a story about the "fall" from a hunter-gatherer society to a farming society.
Of course, taken in context with the rest of Parashat Bere**** alone, it takes on a whole new meaning, and eventually a new meaning once again with the rest of the Torah and the Tanakh. The Christians have added their own meaning, as well.
Even Hindus have their own idea of what the story is about.
When it comes to stories this old, there is no "right" or "wrong" interpretation.
The story is applicable. It means something different for different people. For me, it's a story about adolescence. For historians, it's a story about the "fall" from a hunter-gatherer society to a farming society.
Of course, taken in context with the rest of Parashat Bere**** alone, it takes on a whole new meaning, and eventually a new meaning once again with the rest of the Torah and the Tanakh. The Christians have added their own meaning, as well.
Even Hindus have their own idea of what the story is about.
When it comes to stories this old, there is no "right" or "wrong" interpretation.