How did the Egyptians build the pyramids?

[Pogo]

The process is simple.

Crush the limestone, mix with cement (which is limestone and clay) and water, and then cast into a mould.

Which is not limestone as anybody with a decent eye will tell you, it is not an aggregate of shells that have been cemented together over time but a conglomeration of many small bits of limestone that have been cemented together with materials from the original limestone.
Do you have a point with demonstration that common sense is often not useful?

 

[GoodAttention]

Which is not limestone as anybody with a decent eye will tell you, it is not an aggregate of shells that have been cemented together over time but a conglomeration of many small bits of limestone that have been cemented together with materials from the original limestone.
Do you have a point with demonstration that common sense is often not useful?

Do a simple Google search.

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What is your point? Mine is natural and reconstituted limestone are very comparable as building material, but the latter is far, far more practical.

 

[Pogo]

You are not an engineer, which is the expertise required to understand construction materials.

And you apparently are one of the lesser versions adding to the Salem Hypothesis.

LOL, I studied as an engineer and would be majorly embarrassed to argue as you are here.


The idea that you can define limestone just by it's chemical composition and even then add clay without even defining the composition of the clay to something you want to call reconstituted limestone is beyond ignorant and into cult based fantasy land where any argument no matter how idiotic is useful to support your predetermined idea.

You sir are an embarrassment to engineers everywhere.

 

[GoodAttention]

And you apparently are one of the lesser versions adding to the Salem Hypothesis.

LOL, I studied as an engineer and would be majorly embarrassed to argue as you are here.


The idea that you can define limestone just by it's chemical composition and even then add clay without even defining the composition of the clay to something you want to call reconstituted limestone is beyond ignorant and into cult based fantasy land where any argument no matter how idiotic is useful to support your predetermined idea.

You sir are an embarrassment to engineers everywhere.

Are you done?

I didn’t invent reconstituted limestone, so go be a good little engineer and do some research before you accuse me of anything.

You are not too old to learn, and if you are, then why are you here?

 

[Pogo]

Do a simple Google search.

Why reconstituted limestone blocks should be used to build a house | House & Home Ideas

It is very hard to select the right building material for the construction of your home or office, especially when you are looking for something that can last for a long time with the least maintenance. Most of the construction use wood or stone due to the durability they provide, however, there...

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What is your point? Mine is natural and reconstituted limestone are very comparable as building material, but the latter is far, far more practical.

We were talking about some structures built thousands of years ago, not how we might clad a building today.

 

[GoodAttention]

We were talking about some structures built thousands of years ago, not how we might clad a building today.

You are embarrassing yourself now.

Reconstituted limestone is a building material that is used in preference to natural limestone!

 

[cladking]

How does the block get on and off the boat?

The boat was stabilized against a dock in the port that Egyptologists call "the Valley Temple" and the stone connected to a rope from the linear funicular on the west side of G1. It fell with about 15 tons of water lifting about ten 2 1/2 ton stones 90' up the 4.2 degree causeway. This process was repeated again and again until the stones reached the pyramid.

 

[cladking]

Seriously though, the barges were loaded in the dry season and floated to the building cite during wet season when the Nile flooded.

Nonsense.

At ten stones per load there were 10,000 trips or 500 per year. Where would they get a fleet of boats of such size that could just be laid up? How do you load 500 boats in the mud at the port?

 

[Pogo]

You are embarrassing yourself now.

Reconstituted limestone is a building material that is used in preference to natural limestone!

So what? The OP was how did the Egyptians build the pyramids and somebody (you?) came up with the bright idea that they didn't move blocks of limestone but created a concrete imitation from crushed material and then questioned whether it would be differentiable to natural limestone.

 

[cladking]

First, the stage had to be set to allow a large population to live and prosper in the region, including the thousands of workers essential for building the pyramids.

This is what Lehner said. When I laughed at it and pointed out the builders village was a tiny fraction of the size needed to build a pyramid he said the builders lived on the ramps and the village was a "port". Then when I laughed and said you can't have a port with no roads leading out they came out and said they didn't need no stinkin' roads because sand can float up wet sand on their mechanical advantage. You can't make this stuff up. There is no science at all in Egyptology. They dust off artefacts looking for gold and never systematically apply modern science and knowledge.

They didn't need any "large population" because most of the work was done by the gods, exactly as the builders said.

 

[cladking]

Then, from drill cores and excavations made for a modern wastewater project, researchers recognized an ancient branch of the Nile River, known as the Khufu Branch, that extended towards the Giza Plateau. Scientists also found evidence of this waterway from sediment cores that include pollen from plants like papyrus and cattails, showing a wet and marsh-like environment. For several centuries, it appears that boats could navigate the channels of the Khufu Branch.

I predicted this long ago because I knew there were no "Valley Temples" and these were ports at the far end of a "ramp". There were no "temples" at all and no superstition. The word translated as "temple" means "the place where a god works". There were different kind of temples for different Gods. the place set worked was called "The Great Saw Palace" which was the mason's shop on the east side of G1.

 

[Pogo]

Nonsense.

At ten stones per load there were 10,000 trips or 500 per year. Where would they get a fleet of boats of such size that could just be laid up? How do you load 500 boats in the mud at the port?

Maybe you could actually explain why ship transport was not possible and then present your more rational solution since all the evidence is that the blocks were transported.?

Oh please no aliens and only physically known mechanisms, if you require another mechanism, please enlighten us as to how it works without violating understood regularities or barring that just how these observed regularities are not relevant and what supersedes them.

 

[cladking]

Magic frequently seems more likely than your alternatives. I don't thereby suggest that magic is found in reality, of course.

Yes. I am quite aware how magical my theory sounds. 4,000 years of confused language and much of science based on such assumptions have created beliefs that sound logical and reasonable but are baseless. The very concept that we aren't the crown of creation is offensive to many people and I'm saying point blank there's no such thing as intelligence and if there were we'd take a back seat to the superstitious bumpkins who built the pyramids.

Of course it sounds absurd. It's runs counter to dozens of your core beliefs.

It's still true though and I do make accurate predictions.

 

[GoodAttention]

So what? The OP was how did the Egyptians build the pyramids and somebody (you?) came up with the bright idea that they didn't move blocks of limestone but created a concrete imitation from crushed material and then questioned whether it would be differentiable to natural limestone.

Always read a source for yourself. @shunyadragon conveniently left out the following from his source.

Lime from fireplace ash and salt were mixed in with it. The water evaporated, leaving a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet “concrete” would have been carried to the site and packed into wooden moulds where it would set hard in a few days. Mr Davidovits and his team at the Geopolymer Institute at Saint-Quentin tested the method recently, producing a large block of concrete limestone in ten days.

New support for their case came from Guy Demortier, a materials scientist at Namur University in Belgium. Originally a sceptic, he told the French magazine that a decade of study had made him a convert: “The three majestic Pyramids of Cheops, Khephren and Mykerinos are well and truly made from concrete stones.”

The concrete theorists also point out differences in density of the pyramid stones, which have a higher mass near the bottom and bubbles near the top, like old-style cement blocks.

Opponents of the theory dispute the scientific evidence. They also say that the diverse shapes of the stones show that moulds were not used. They add that a huge amount of limestone chalk and burnt wood would have been needed to make the concrete, while the Egyptians had the manpower to hoist all the natural stone they wanted.

The concrete theorists say that they will be unable to prove their theory conclusively until the Egyptian authorities give them access to substantial samples.

 

[cladking]

Just to add geologists like myself can easily distinguish between natural stone blocks and those made of concrete. The evidence is clear by far most of blocks used n the pyramid construction are natural stone.

I've been trying to find out for years if the stones in G1 was actually inverted as the PT suggests they were. Do you have any knowledge of this?

 

[cladking]

To start, would we considered the pyramid stones to have become discoloured over time or has it held its colour?

Tura limestone is extremely white when quarried and stays this way for years. It eventually yellows quite a bit. I believe this is a chemical reaction rather than staining.

The core stone is yellow and to my knowledge has little change. The Great pyramid was painted red (at the bottom) for many years during Roman times. Most of the cladding came off as a result of an earthquake in the 9th century. The Book of Enoch apparently has some interesting words about the colors of the pyramids. I believe this dates to around 1500 BC.

 

[shunyadragon]

This is what Lehner said. When I laughed at it and pointed out the builders village was a tiny fraction of the size needed to build a pyramid he said the builders lived on the ramps and the village was a "port". Then when I laughed and said you can't have a port with no roads leading out they came out and said they didn't need no stinkin' roads because sand can float up wet sand on their mechanical advantage. You can't make this stuff up. There is no science at all in Egyptology. They dust off artefacts looking for gold and never systematically apply modern science and knowledge.

They didn't need any "large population" because most of the work was done by the gods, exactly as the builders said.

I seriously question your knowledge of the extent of the skilled and unskilled workers involved in one or more villages including the temporary workers available off season farmers for unskilled labor, and labor living at the quarries..

What are the Pyramids and who built them? | Digital Giza

When an important Ancient Egyptian pharaoh died, he was buried in a pyramid to take him into the afterlife.

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Who Built the Pyramids?​

The pyramid builders were drawn to Giza from all over Egypt. It appears that there was a permanent workforce of skilled laborers, who lived with their families in an established village. It is not known exactly how many skilled workers lived in this village, but one estimate places the number at approximately 5,000.
This village offered many supportive services, including medical care for the workers. Two bakeries have been discovered, as well as a fish market, a copper processing plant, and other industries. Work on Khufu’s Pyramid is thought to have taken about 20 years.

 

[Pogo]

This is what Lehner said. When I laughed at it and pointed out the builders village was a tiny fraction of the size needed to build a pyramid he said the builders lived on the ramps and the village was a "port". Then when I laughed and said you can't have a port with no roads leading out they came out and said they didn't need no stinkin' roads because sand can float up wet sand on their mechanical advantage. You can't make this stuff up. There is no science at all in Egyptology. They dust off artefacts looking for gold and never systematically apply modern science and knowledge.

They didn't need any "large population" because most of the work was done by the gods, exactly as the builders said.

Sure it wasn't aliens, or are they equivalent to gods in their ability to fly limestone blocks? Just how was it done, and who and what methods did they use?
we are not looking for your mental understanding but something that does not equate to magic that we might understand. If not this then understand, we will have to class you with the delusional. Sorry but it appears you are comfortable with that position.

 

[cladking]

Yes we have been here many times before, we can understand your position if we agree with it before hand, but that is useless to those who don't and you have been incapable of communicating your position to anyone else due to either it's simplicity according to you or your inability to communicate this ancient language or even it's existence.

I'm sorry the world is so complex and I can't spoon feed you every single one of the millions of steps I required to solve how the pyramids were built. It would be wonderful if I could. Maybe I could just do a two way vulcan mind meld and dump everything in. Do you realize I've done more than 100,000 google searches? I've done reems of computations. Just because the computations are simple and the searches were often dead ends doesn't make the task easy or easy to relay to those who can't imagine metaphysical language or ancient people who didn't believe in intelligence but were still a lot smarter than most Egyptologists. I just don't know what to say. I can tell you what's there even before the real scientists find it whether Zahi Hawass allows its publication or not. I can tell you exactly how I solved it and how Egyptological methodology is so bad they got everything wrong. But I can't understand it for you. I can tell you what the big picture is but that picture not be reduced to anything that fits your models.

There were no bumpkins, no gods, no ramps, and no means to directly understand the builders. We can only understand their consciousness through making models.

 

[shunyadragon]

I've been trying to find out for years if the stones in G1 was actually inverted as the PT suggests they were.

Clarify?

Do you have any knowledge of this?

I am not sure what your asking here. The core of pyramid used a lower grade limestone in large blocks, and covered with high grade white limestone which is basically gone. likely taken later for other buildings.

I found a reference that indicates some of the stone blocks are indeed concrete made from mining the low grade limestone. To make clear this is not reformed limestone, but a form concrete. I need to do more research on this. There are tow types of limestone around the pyramids, one hard pure and one softer and marly. ,
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The harder more pure limestone is the upper Mokkatam Formation hat the pyramids sits on. The softer less pure limestone used in both stone blocks and making the concrete blocks is marly (low grade) nummulite type, The sphinx is carved from the low grade limestone.

More research is needed to resolve these issues. More to follow . . .