How did your god/s create the earth?

[Unveiled Artist]

I am sorry Carlita, as I did Not intend for you to look up anything because on my screen the verses come up, and did Not recall or remember you couldn't readily do that.
So, please accept my apology, and please feel free to bring anything else to my attention.

Jesus pronounced many ' woes ' against those hate-filled Jewish clergy exposing them as unloving.
Jesus warned them about their haughty pride and their need to be humble.
The Pharisees sat themselves in 'Moses Seat', so to speak, meaning they put the Law into their own hands.
Since Jesus taught all are spiritual ' brothers ', so then religious titles would wrongly put those with titles as being above others.

Thank you. Im on my phone or nook tablet. So, everything is touch screen.

Titles, well how I see it, shouldnt mean heirarchy. It should mean what your role is in the, say, body of Christ. I dont believe Jesus as god so his being among the poor and being a disciple to his father just says the roles they have (son, father, disciple) and how they relate to each other.

The issue I find in scripture is political in nature not spiritual. For example, when I call a priest f-ather I am speaking to him by his devotional role in the Church. Just as I say mother as she relates to me as a parent.

Lord Buddha is a title but doesnt denote heirarchy as per The Buddha taught against it. Likewise, the only authority (or title) that was important is the F-ather. The word god is not even an Jewish word.

Anyway, titles arent bad in and of themselves. When one takes advantage of the titles they have, thats the problem. So it sounds like Jesus wasnt addressing the titles but, like traditions, in the manner he claims the Jews (and Pharacese) practice the traditions over their Father in heaven.

Its all contextual. When you take it literally from he Eucharist to avoiding traditions, youre basically tearing out the core of the faith. Like there isnt transubstation in the Bible nor are there many forms of it (say Lutheran version). Likewise, traditions arent avoided in the Bible as many protestants claim. Jesus and Apostles still followed their family traditions. The context is not to place and replace them over their Father in heaven.

I would highly assume the role of titles are the same: not to be avoided just dont abuse it.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Thank you. Im on my phone or nook tablet. So, everything is touch screen.
Titles, well how I see it, shouldnt mean heirarchy. It should mean what your role is in the, say, body of Christ. I dont believe Jesus as god so his being among the poor and being a disciple to his father just says the roles they have (son, father, disciple) and how they relate to each other.
The issue I find in scripture is political in nature not spiritual. For example, when I call a priest f-ather I am speaking to him by his devotional role in the Church. Just as I say mother as she relates to me as a parent.
Lord Buddha is a title but doesnt denote heirarchy as per The Buddha taught against it. Likewise, the only authority (or title) that was important is the F-ather. The word god is not even an Jewish word.
Anyway, titles arent bad in and of themselves. When one takes advantage of the titles they have, thats the problem. So it sounds like Jesus wasnt addressing the titles but, like traditions, in the manner he claims the Jews (and Pharacese) practice the traditions over their Father in heaven.
Its all contextual. When you take it literally from he Eucharist to avoiding traditions, you're basically tearing out the core of the faith. Like there isnt transubstation in the Bible nor are there many forms of it (say Lutheran version). Likewise, traditions arent avoided in the Bible as many protestants claim. Jesus and Apostles still followed their family traditions. The context is not to place and replace them over their Father in heaven.
I would highly assume the role of titles are the same: not to be avoided just dont abuse it.

Thank you for your reply. Agree: titles should Not mean heirarchy but still be in the role of body of Christ as being a spiritual elder or servant, a brother, but Not a spiritual father.
Agree: Jesus is Not God, but as Jesus said that he is God's Son. Jesus was also called as apostle besides high priest and king ( positions )
Jesus did Not want the word ' father ' used as a ' religious title ' and Jerusalem ' above ' is now called as ' mother '.
If the word God/god is Not a Hebrew /Jewish word what is it ?
Yes, Jesus was addressing ' titles ' in Matthew chapter 23. The ' wrong use ' of them.
Jesus was denouncing the ' wrong use ' of traditions or customs when they are taught as Scripture but Not found in Scripture.

Jesus was Not political in nature but politically neutral. His first-century followers were also politically neutral.
They did Not even take sides in the issues of the day between the Jews verses the Romans but remained neutral in the affairs of the world.
When the people wanted to put Jesus in political office ( king ) Jesus worked his away from the crowds.
So, it is the clergy of Christendom ( so-called Christian but mostly in name only ) who have a political agenda.
They have used the pulpit even as a recruiting station so parents will sacrifice their young on the political Altar of War.
Like some sort of a holy ventriloquist they have tried to put words in Jesus' mouth which never came out of his mouth.
They advance their political opinion agenda as if it was Jesus' agenda which it is Not.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Thank you for your reply. Agree: titles should Not mean heirarchy but still be in the role of body of Christ as being a spiritual elder or servant, a brother, but Not a spiritual father.
Agree: Jesus is Not God, but as Jesus said that he is God's Son. Jesus was also called as apostle besides high priest and king ( positions )
Jesus did Not want the word ' father ' used as a ' religious title ' and Jerusalem ' above ' is now called as ' mother '.
If the word God/god is Not a Hebrew /Jewish word what is it ?
Yes, Jesus was addressing ' titles ' in Matthew chapter 23. The ' wrong use ' of them.
Jesus was denouncing the ' wrong use ' of traditions or customs when they are taught as Scripture but Not found in Scripture.

Jesus was Not political in nature but politically neutral. His first-century followers were also politically neutral.
They did Not even take sides in the issues of the day between the Jews verses the Romans but remained neutral in the affairs of the world.
When the people wanted to put Jesus in political office ( king ) Jesus worked his away from the crowds.
So, it is the clergy of Christendom ( so-called Christian but mostly in name only ) who have a political agenda.
They have used the pulpit even as a recruiting station so parents will sacrifice their young on the political Altar of War.
Like some sort of a holy ventriloquist they have tried to put words in Jesus' mouth which never came out of his mouth.
They advance their political opinion agenda as if it was Jesus' agenda which it is Not.

I have to reply to this a little later. Quick question. Isnt he word god Roman?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I have to reply to this a little later. Quick question. Isnt he word god Roman?

I am thinking the word God/god is an English word.
Here is what I could find:
Among Hebrew words that are translated as God is 'El'
'El' makes up Hebrew names such as Elisha ( God is Salvation )
El appears with the article ha'El or the God.
El Shaddai as God Almighty
The Hebrew word elo-him plural of eloh'ah ( god )
Elo-him used as a plural of majesty, excellence or dignity.
In the Christian Greek Scriptures ( Not Roman ) is the word is theos for God.
In Scripture, Nimrod ( Noah's great-grandson ) set himself up as a god in ancient Babylon ( Not Rome )
So, I never heard that the word god/God comes from the Roman, however there are teachings about both Roman and Greek myth gods that's for sure.

 

[InChrist]

In the beginning of creation ' invisible then visible ' God created. So, God was 'before' the beginning of His creative works - Psalms 90:2 - God Had No beginning.

That is what I believe and see in the scriptures. God is eternally Self-existent and had no beginning.

 

[InChrist]

Understood, but that's just saying Goddidit -- by magic. "How" implies mechanism.

Maybe to you it sounds like magic, but if God has the capability to create in such a way, if that is His mechanism why would it be magic rather than reality?

 

[Valjean]

It's still magic, even when you posit magic as God's "mechanism."

And what is your evidence for this "God," InChrist? Are you just using him as a convenient 'Deus ex machina' to tie up the loose ends of your cosmology?

 

[Frank Merton]

Thank you. Im on my phone or nook tablet. So, everything is touch screen.

Titles, well how I see it, shouldnt mean heirarchy. It should mean what your role is in the, say, body of Christ. I dont believe Jesus as god so his being among the poor and being a disciple to his father just says the roles they have (son, father, disciple) and how they relate to each other.

The issue I find in scripture is political in nature not spiritual. For example, when I call a priest f-ather I am speaking to him by his devotional role in the Church. Just as I say mother as she relates to me as a parent.

Lord Buddha is a title but doesnt denote heirarchy as per The Buddha taught against it. Likewise, the only authority (or title) that was important is the F-ather. The word god is not even an Jewish word.

Anyway, titles arent bad in and of themselves. When one takes advantage of the titles they have, thats the problem. So it sounds like Jesus wasnt addressing the titles but, like traditions, in the manner he claims the Jews (and Pharacese) practice the traditions over their Father in heaven.

Its all contextual. When you take it literally from he Eucharist to avoiding traditions, youre basically tearing out the core of the faith. Like there isnt transubstation in the Bible nor are there many forms of it (say Lutheran version). Likewise, traditions arent avoided in the Bible as many protestants claim. Jesus and Apostles still followed their family traditions. The context is not to place and replace them over their Father in heaven.

I would highly assume the role of titles are the same: not to be avoided just dont abuse it.

You are of course correct that Buddha is a title, not a name. In legend there have been many Buddha's, Gautama being the most recent, and another will come when this one's teaching has finally been eradicated, although that seems a long way off.

Buddhism has a hierarchy of sorts, although more of consent and respect than of official appointment. It should be remembered that Buddhism, as a religion, readily adopts the ritual and beliefs of local peoples when such things work for good, and don't worry about some concept of purity or whatever, as part of its tolerant nature, so there are many Buddhist "sects." Buddhism itself though is not much in the way of religion and more in the way of a system of life and ethics. I hesitate to call the earliest Buddhism a philosophy as it dismissed most of the issues philosophers and scientists deal with as not relevant to the important things of doing right and living right. (Not much different from Socrates, though). Not that inquiry into these things is wrong, but should take second place and should never be the basis of argument let alone fighting.

 

[Norbert Tinca]

I believe in GOD, i have no religion and I believe in science too.
From the quantum phisics view the universe and all things in it it's not a material universe but rather a MENTAL universe that seem real for the simply fact that we are looking at it.
God does not create the earth like we think it. This material universe just seems to be real. It exist because we are conscious beeings. Just simply nothing exist until someone want to look at it.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

It's still magic, even when you posit magic as God's "mechanism."

And what is your evidence for this "God," InChrist? Are you just using him as a convenient 'Deus ex machina' to tie up the loose ends of your cosmology?

we could just as easily say that the method the deity used is unknown as it is to say magic, because none of the texts or traditions are a how-to manual for the inhabitants to understand or replicate the universe. I think expecting humans to be able to understand HOW a creator deity create the universe might be expecting a bit much from us, and I think it's presumptuous to expect such a deity to tell its creation how it did it. Maybe we can eventually figure it out from the trace evidence.

 

[Valjean]

I believe in GOD, i have no religion and I believe in science too.
From the quantum phisics view the universe and all things in it it's not a material universe but rather a MENTAL universe that seem real for the simply fact that we are looking at it.
God does not create the earth like we think it. This material universe just seems to be real. It exist because we are conscious beeings. Just simply nothing exist until someone want to look at it.

Good point, NT. We're dreaming the Universe. Without a dreamer there would be no dream. Without an observer the quantum waveform doesn't collapse into a Reality.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

we could just as easily say that the method the deity used is unknown as it is to say magic, because none of the texts or traditions are a how-to manual for the inhabitants to understand or replicate the universe. I think expecting humans to be able to understand HOW a creator deity create the universe might be expecting a bit much from us, and I think it's presumptuous to expect such a deity to tell its creation how it did it. Maybe we can eventually figure it out from the trace evidence.

When I read the words ' trace evidence ' I thought of CMBR ( cosmic microwave background radiation ).
Because of the accuracy of microwaves the age of the Earth and universe can accurately be dated.
As far as ' method ' according to Psalms 104:30 God's spirit is involved.
According to Isaiah 40:26; Jeremiah 10:12; 26:5; 32:17 God supplied the needed ' energy' (not magic, but His power and strength) to create the material realm.

The book of Revelation 20:12 talks of new books (scrolls) being opened during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
In those new books mankind will learn and understand more about God's ways, which could include How the universe was created.

 

[Frank Merton]

we could just as easily say that the method the deity used is unknown as it is to say magic, because none of the texts or traditions are a how-to manual for the inhabitants to understand or replicate the universe. I think expecting humans to be able to understand HOW a creator deity create the universe might be expecting a bit much from us, and I think it's presumptuous to expect such a deity to tell its creation how it did it. Maybe we can eventually figure it out from the trace evidence.

I'm inclined to agree with that approach if there is a creator. The thing is it really is "magic" put in different words, and I see no need to say there has to have been a creator. Indeed, it is an unnecessary complication. It is as easy to say the universe just happened as it is to say a deity happened it.

 

[Frank Merton]

Good point, NT. We're dreaming the Universe. Without a dreamer there would be no dream. Without an observer the quantum waveform doesn't collapse into a Reality.

I'm sorry but such statements make me shudder. It is using a theory (and not in my opinion a good theory) to try to understand quantum mechanics and taking it way too far. Who is to say the quantum waveform is not the reality and what we observe is the illusion?

 

[Thief]

This isnt a Christian-only thread. If you dont use the word god, use what you normally use. Dont talior answers around mine. Try not to be influenced by christian themes if your faith is far from abrahamic Muslim, Christian, od Jewish. Eastern, Western, Southern, Northern people of all faiths. No debatea. Comparative religion.



Hate to say this, my practice doesnt come with a creation of the earth story. I was taught we came from the waters. Thats what I believe. I saw it in the Smithsonean exibit once and I thought it was old wise talea. Guess not. I dont know what that field of science is called. Genesis from water or human genesis from water? Tried to look it up. Anway, the spirits are the waters, sun, moon, etc. They created us if I were to personify them as deities for better and lack of scientific jargon I know nothing about.

According to your mythology, story, philosophy, scripture, etc how was the earth created?

The more details the better.

If you have no religion and believe in science, please keep it simple with details too.

No debate

I have no religion and believe in God because of science
science does no more than detail how this world operates
it cannot take the Creator from His creation

Genesis mentions water.
that may have been the only way to place in the mind of Moses....
the concept of making light from the fusion of hydrogen....without having to explain atomic structure

 

[Aupmanyav]

I have to reply to this a little later. Quick question. Isnt he word god Roman?

Here is what I could find: .. both Roman and Greek myth gods that's for sure.

I wonder why people forget to use Wikipedia:

"The earliest written form of the Germanic word God (always, in this usage, capitalized) comes from the 6th-century Christian Codex Argenteus. The English word itself is derived from the Proto-Germanic * ǥuđan. The reconstructed Proto-Indo-European form * ǵhu-tó-m was likely based on the root * ǵhau(ə)-, which meant either "to call" or "to invoke". The Germanic words for God were originally neuter - applying to both genders - but during the process of the Christianization of the Germanic peoples from their indigenous Germanic paganism, the words became a masculine syntactic form."

 

[godnotgod]

I'm sorry but such statements make me shudder. It is using a theory (and not in my opinion a good theory) to try to understand quantum mechanics and taking it way too far. Who is to say the quantum waveform is not the reality and what we observe is the illusion?

Technically, and from the POV of Quantum Physics, isn't this 'material' universe actually a field of possibilities?

The math is showing that 100% of the mass of the atom is virtual in nature, as it is entirely created by fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs Fields. Therefore, all of 'reality' is virtual in nature as well.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16095-its-confirmed-matter-is-merely-vacuum-fluctuations/

 

[godnotgod]

From the quantum phisics view the universe and all things in it it's not a material universe but rather a MENTAL universe that seem real ....

 

[Norbert Tinca]

If Moses a prophet why we think that he wrote about past events. A prophet talk about future events that will take place.
Moses wrote Genesis after 2000 years. But why we think that he wrote about past events, like the creation of the earth. Think about what if he wrote about future events and he talk alegorically about the coming of Jesus.
Remember John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Why who believe in God doesn't agree with science. Becasuse science talk about the creation of the world (BigBang, evolution and all the other stuff) and God talk about his work on earth and in heaven in a manner that we need discovery from HIM to understand. It's just an example the fact that the bible doesn't talk about the creation of the world like we think it. BUT YES, it is a new world that last from Jesus until now.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I wonder why people forget to use Wikipedia:
"The earliest written form of the Germanic word God (always, in this usage, capitalized) comes from the 6th-century Christian Codex Argenteus. The English word itself is derived from the Proto-Germanic * ǥuđan. The reconstructed Proto-Indo-European form * ǵhu-tó-m was likely based on the root * ǵhau(ə)-, which meant either "to call" or "to invoke". The Germanic words for God were originally neuter - applying to both genders - but during the process of the Christianization of the Germanic peoples from their indigenous Germanic paganism, the words became a masculine syntactic form."

What is the earliest written form of the Hebrew word God ?
The Hebrew Scriptures existed long before the 6th century.