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How do I move out?

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
It may be worth speaking to some of the student help facilities, they often have people to help students in your position. Whether it's finding somewhere affordable to stay or finding a job, there's usually somebody to lend a hand.

Failing that, try looking into job centres and have a look online for student housing. Some student accommodations allow people to stay over summer. I would recommend signing on to a job centre as soon as possible, you'll need income if you're going to live away from your parents and you'll probably have to take any job you can get. Unfortunately you can't afford to be fussy about where you work in your situation.

Best of luck to you :)

Sounds like a plan. I'm pretty sure the college campus has a place for this sort of thing.
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
Realistically, before you can rent an apartment you are probably going to have to get a job and save some money toward rent, deposits, utilities, etc. But it sounds to me like you have a bad attitude. Although I don't know your actual situation with your parents or what they have done or not done. It seems your first step is to come to some sort of peace with them rather than running away from the situation. If you can’t work out things with them then a job situation may be very difficult for you. Unless you are self-employed or the boss all other job positions require some measure of respect for authority. You may not agree with your parents on many things, but you should be able to be respectful and attempt to work things out. If you can’t do this with your parents you may find a job situation difficult also.

Sometimes you need to get away from a situation to be able to gain some clarity and perspective on it.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Your parents are paying for you to go to college? Absolutely wonderful of them. You know, they don't owe you that. With as much as you seem to despise them, the fact that they continue to fund your education says much more than you seem to realize. You can at least be grateful to them for that much.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
If you want to kill all your problem birds with one stone (summer job, out of the parents' house, getting out of the US), get a youth employment visa to Canada for a summer, make your way to the Rockies and find work in a hotel. They often provide some kind of accommodation. It's also fun, and breathtakingly beautiful. Lake Louise was my first stop at 17. Room and board provided along with a full time job as a front desk clerk. The pay was not awesome but I still managed to save enough over a single winter to go to Europe for 5 months.

As far as temp agencies are concerned, you don't need to pay any attention to what they are advertising. You walk in, take a few aptitude tests (typing, computer skills, etc), tell them what kind of work you might be interested in doing, then call your rep every week to ask whether anything has come up. There's no cost involved (or shouldn't be), and it puts somebody else on the job of pounding the pavement looking for work for you. There's also no exclusivity - you can sign up for all the agencies in your area if you like, AND keep looking for work on your own .

It is a great way to rack up a lot of experience in a lot of different fields in a shorter amount of time than it would take to "work your way up the ladder" in a corporate job. I went from mail-room clerk to Privacy Policy Officer for an entire county in England in the space of a few years, thanks to temp agencies. Many of the jobs I took as a temp resulted in offers of permanent employment - I'd say about 30% of them.

As far as living on your own is concerned, landlords want things like references, a damage deposit and / or a credit check before you can get your foot in the door. Looking for a room in a rented house is much easier and cheaper. It usually involves nothing more than meeting the primary renter or renters to see if you get along and taking a look at the space to see if you want it. If you stay there for a while and make yourself known to the landlord, you're on track for a reference for the place you will eventually end up getting on your own.

A word about references - they'll be an issue for both jobs and renting. Hit up your professors. They make really good references.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Hey, there's always the ultimate suggestion. Want to be out of your parents' home? Want a job? Join the military. :p My father, my grandfathers, my uncles, my cousins (females) and myself. Graduate high school and ...boom... boot camp. Just saying, you seem to whine about your parents but they are giving you a head start that they could have made you get on your own. You don't have it as bad as you think, no matter how you disagree with your parents, you have much more than most. Try to remember that.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Can I vote against joining the military? It would get you out of the house, but it might also get you killed or - even worse if you are ethically inclined - turn you into a killer.
 

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
Your parents are paying for you to go to college? Absolutely wonderful of them. You know, they don't owe you that. With as much as you seem to despise them, the fact that they continue to fund your education says much more than you seem to realize. You can at least be grateful to them for that much.

Well, I THINK they are. Half of it's coming from scholarships, and half is coming from student loans. I'm not sure if they're expecting me to pay off the student loans myself (I intend to anyways regardless). They did pay for the previous two years though (it wouldn't have been even theoretically possible for me to pay myself because the early college program forbids students from having jobs).

You must realize, there is more to parenting than finances. They're not very effective in any other regard, and in fact most of the time their influence is worse than simply being out figuring stuff out on my own (ie, mom made fun of me about girls before I actually started liking girls, and as a result I'm still resistant to the idea of speaking about the opposite sex to my parents to this day, my parents still insist that I go to church only for them to complain about petty issues afterwards, my mother is a constant source of discouragement for my career goals, etc).
I used to (rather recently) always promise myself that once I was on my feet, I would save up money to pay back what they spent on me as I was growing up, but now I'm so fed up with them that I've pretty much thrown that idea out the window.

Can I vote against joining the military? It would get you out of the house, but it might also get you killed or - even worse if you are ethically inclined - turn you into a killer.

Agreed. I'm not exactly the most emotionally stable people in the world. (Plus, I have a vague feeling that if my parent's inclination to use arguments from authority ticks me off, I won't get along very well with the sergeant either.)

If you want to kill all your problem birds with one stone (summer job, out of the parents' house, getting out of the US), get a youth employment visa to Canada for a summer, make your way to the Rockies and find work in a hotel. They often provide some kind of accommodation. It's also fun, and breathtakingly beautiful. Lake Louise was my first stop at 17. Room and board provided along with a full time job as a front desk clerk. The pay was not awesome but I still managed to save enough over a single winter to go to Europe for 5 months.

As far as temp agencies are concerned, you don't need to pay any attention to what they are advertising. You walk in, take a few aptitude tests (typing, computer skills, etc), tell them what kind of work you might be interested in doing, then call your rep every week to ask whether anything has come up. There's no cost involved (or shouldn't be), and it puts somebody else on the job of pounding the pavement looking for work for you. There's also no exclusivity - you can sign up for all the agencies in your area if you like, AND keep looking for work on your own .

It is a great way to rack up a lot of experience in a lot of different fields in a shorter amount of time than it would take to "work your way up the ladder" in a corporate job. I went from mail-room clerk to Privacy Policy Officer for an entire county in England in the space of a few years, thanks to temp agencies. Many of the jobs I took as a temp resulted in offers of permanent employment - I'd say about 30% of them.

As far as living on your own is concerned, landlords want things like references, a damage deposit and / or a credit check before you can get your foot in the door. Looking for a room in a rented house is much easier and cheaper. It usually involves nothing more than meeting the primary renter or renters to see if you get along and taking a look at the space to see if you want it. If you stay there for a while and make yourself known to the landlord, you're on track for a reference for the place you will eventually end up getting on your own.

A word about references - they'll be an issue for both jobs and renting. Hit up your professors. They make really good references.

Sounds ideal. Are there any limits on these youth employment visas, like an age limit? I'll be out of college when I'm 20, at which point I intend on moving out (although if I'm going to be doing this next summer, I'll be 19 at that point).

Would a credit check require that I have a credit account to begin with? I don't have or intend on ever using credit cards.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Well, I THINK they are. Half of it's coming from scholarships, and half is coming from student loans. I'm not sure if they're expecting me to pay off the student loans myself (I intend to anyways regardless). They did pay for the previous two years though (it wouldn't have been even theoretically possible for me to pay myself because the early college program forbids students from having jobs).

You must realize, there is more to parenting than finances. They're not very effective in any other regard, and in fact most of the time their influence is worse than simply being out figuring stuff out on my own (ie, mom made fun of me about girls before I actually started liking girls, and as a result I'm still resistant to the idea of speaking about the opposite sex to my parents to this day, my parents still insist that I go to church only for them to complain about petty issues afterwards, my mother is a constant source of discouragement for my career goals, etc).
I used to (rather recently) always promise myself that once I was on my feet, I would save up money to pay back what they spent on me as I was growing up, but now I'm so fed up with them that I've pretty much thrown that idea out the window.



Agreed. I'm not exactly the most emotionally stable people in the world. (Plus, I have a vague feeling that if my parent's inclination to use arguments from authority ticks me off, I won't get along very well with the sergeant either.)



Sounds ideal. Are there any limits on these youth employment visas, like an age limit? I'll be out of college when I'm 20, at which point I intend on moving out (although if I'm going to be doing this next summer, I'll be 19 at that point).

Would a credit check require that I have a credit account to begin with? I don't have or intend on ever using credit cards.

Looks like the cut-off is 35

International Experience Canada

Re: your credit rating, it is a general rating of your financial activities that is accessible with your permission by various entities like landlords, banks, cell phone companies, etc. If you have never had any debt, you won't have a credit rating yet. When you begin paying off your student loan that will start to build your credit rating. If you miss any payments you risk getting a black mark. You don't have to have a credit card, but you rack up a good credit rating quicker if you have one and handle it responsibly. They used to hand them out like candy in colleges and universities, so if you want one, sniff around. It will be much harder after you graduate, especially if you intend to travel.

Having no credit rating isn't likely to cause you problems with a landlord, but it might if you want something like overdraft protection, a credit card or a line of credit.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.

Well, I THINK they are. Half of it's coming from scholarships, and half is coming from student loans. I'm not sure if they're expecting me to pay off the student loans myself (I intend to anyways regardless).

Are they willing to pay for your room and board (ie, allow you to live at home while you're attending college?) Do you have a job at all yet? Have you ever had a job? Are you driving? If so, who pays for the gas? Who pays your insurance? And who paid for your vehicle? Do you have a cell phone? Who pays for that? What about your clothes, McDonalds, internet access, computer, etc? What about health insurance? Who's paying for that?

All these things cost money - and plenty of it.

They did pay for the previous two years though (it wouldn't have been even theoretically possible for me to pay myself because the early college program forbids students from having jobs).

But you were under 18 at that time, right? Your parents have a responsibility to you as a minor to feed, clothe, and shelter you till you're an adult. College, cell phones, internet access, McDonalds, vehicles, etc are all "perks" and luxuries that they are not obligated to provide.

Now that you're an adult, frankly they owe you nothing.

You must realize, there is more to parenting than finances. They're not very effective in any other regard, and in fact most of the time their influence is worse than simply being out figuring stuff out on my own (ie, mom made fun of me about girls before I actually started liking girls, and as a result I'm still resistant to the idea of speaking about the opposite sex to my parents to this day, my parents still insist that I go to church only for them to complain about petty issues afterwards, my mother is a constant source of discouragement for my career goals, etc).

Sounds to me like you and your parents hold polarized views when it comes to religion and politics. This doesn't mean that your views are correct - or that their views are correct. All this means is that there is bound to be friction between you on these topics, especially if one or both parties are outspoken about them.

As for going to church with them - hey, it's their house. They have the absolute right to insist that people who live in their house live by their standards. Now - I wouldn't suggest that they force an older teen to attend church, but it is their right to enforce that expectation. You may not like it, but attending church for two hours a week is not what I'd call abuse.

I would wager a nice little sum that your general attitude toward them is one of open disdain and disrespect (as a very good book says so eloquently - "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks").

I used to (rather recently) always promise myself that once I was on my feet, I would save up money to pay back what they spent on me as I was growing up, but now I'm so fed up with them that I've pretty much thrown that idea out the window.

Convenient position - and probably more realistic in the long run. It would probably take you decades to pay them back.

And I would bet that they wouldn't accept your money.

Agreed. I'm not exactly the most emotionally stable people in the world. (Plus, I have a vague feeling that if my parent's inclination to use arguments from authority ticks me off, I won't get along very well with the sergeant either.)

You really need to get a handle on this issue with authority before you start working.

Your first few jobs are likely to be entry level, which means that your immediate supervisor (and probably several layers up from that) may not be particularly wise and mature. You may have to be taking orders from someone whose politics and beliefs are absolutely abhorrant to you. You may find yourself working under the direction of someone who seems absolutely ignorant to you philosophically. How are you going to deal with that?

Would a credit check require that I have a credit account to begin with? I don't have or intend on ever using credit cards.

I agree with Alceste on this one - you should get one credit card, and use it very sparingly - for instance, charge $30 on it and then turn right around and pay it right back. If you have online banking, you can use that credit card, and then immediately shoot off a payment from your checking account - and never "feel" the debt or pay a penny of interest.

Paying for a cell phone won't build your credit, but NOT paying a cell phone bill will definitely impact your credit!

You can apply for a small line of credit associated with your checking account - and just simply never overdraw your account and keep the line of credit at zero. That will show as a line of credit TO your credit - one that you handle well. Sometimes those lines of credit are easy to qualify for -but only if you have a job.

It's hard to be an adult and build a responsibly run life of comfort and security. It takes many years to "get ahead of the curve" and go beyond living paycheck to paycheck. Many people never even reach that point - it takes planning and prudence. If your parents have reached this point in their lives (as it sounds they have) you should at least respect them for this - and appreciate them for starting you off from such a vantage point. I have a feeling that if you made an effort to show them some respect and appreciation for what they've done well, your relationship with them would improve quite a bit.

It's very difficult as a parent to live in close proximity with someone who holds you in disdain and thinks they are so much wiser than you, especially when this person is someone you love so much you would sacrifice your life for them. Believe it or not, this is the sad litany of most parents of teenagers, many of whom are absolutely insufferable. But life is also full of irony and humor. As each of my five children has crossed over that threshold and begun to build successful lives on the foundations I laid for them, they've gone from rebellious and, frankly awful, to respectful and loving (well, four of the five - we still have an 18 year old at home who thinks he's sooooooooo much smarter than we are!). I am very thankful for these transitions - but I also admit to a sense of "HA! Take THAT!" when they call saying things like, "Oh my gosh - tires are so expensive!" or "And then he just fell down on the floor in the mall and started screaming at the top of his lungs - I was so embarrassed!"

Now - payback will be complete when the current 18 year old's future son wrecks HIS vehicle three times in two years - and he has to pay the insurance premiums - and deductible.
 

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
Are they willing to pay for your room and board (ie, allow you to live at home while you're attending college?) Do you have a job at all yet? Have you ever had a job? Are you driving? If so, who pays for the gas? Who pays your insurance? And who paid for your vehicle? Do you have a cell phone? Who pays for that? What about your clothes, McDonalds, internet access, computer, etc? What about health insurance? Who's paying for that?

All these things cost money - and plenty of it.

Indeed. Money is one of the few things I can thank my parents for. As important of a positive as it is, I can't really go around saying it, since it sounds like me saying I just love my family for their money (and I don't, I don't think I've loved anyone in my life, besides a couple girls, and that probably wasn't "real" love, whatever that is. Love is a neurotypical invention.).


But you were under 18 at that time, right? Your parents have a responsibility to you as a minor to feed, clothe, and shelter you till you're an adult. College, cell phones, internet access, McDonalds, vehicles, etc are all "perks" and luxuries that they are not obligated to provide.

Now that you're an adult, frankly they owe you nothing.

Another good reason to move out. I'm tired of people saying exactly what you're saying - that I'm leeching off them and should be grateful.
(Also, I doubt you intended this, but implying that I eat at McDonalds is highly insulting.)

Sounds to me like you and your parents hold polarized views when it comes to religion and politics. This doesn't mean that your views are correct - or that their views are correct. All this means is that there is bound to be friction between you on these topics, especially if one or both parties are outspoken about them.

They're not as outspoken as they used to be, but mom will every now and then continue in lecturing me on how politics is all about making friends with people and shaking hands (it's not - it's about policy issues, deceit, and advertising, and frankly the deceit and advertising parts need to go). Mom is probably the single least helpful figure in my life when it comes to my political career - in fact, I think that given her beliefs, she WANTS me to fail.
Mom's a model neurotypical - life's all about shaking hands and not rocking back and forth to her.

As for going to church with them - hey, it's their house. They have the absolute right to insist that people who live in their house live by their standards. Now - I wouldn't suggest that they force an older teen to attend church, but it is their right to enforce that expectation. You may not like it, but attending church for two hours a week is not what I'd call abuse.

I wouldn't call it abuse at my age either. But my sister - when they take a bright, intelligent young 5-year old with a future and turn her into a dumb brat of a 10-year old - they're doing something wrong to her. And I'm pretty certain religion's played a key part in that. I remember what she used to be like; she wasn't perfect, but she was able to learn - I could teach her math, for instance. Now, though, all she cares about is whether or not she'll go to "heaven" if she dies, and kissing up to mommy.

I would wager a nice little sum that your general attitude toward them is one of open disdain and disrespect (as a very good book says so eloquently - "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks").

It's a generally accepted fact, yes. I try not to speak to them much, and when they speak to me, I try to say as little as possible. I used to argue back at mom's ridiculous ideas, but it goes nowhere - and because they're parents, they can punish me for whatever they deem wrong, be it telling a little girl the truth about santa claus (they threatened to cut my education if I did so) or being honest when I talk to them.

Convenient position - and probably more realistic in the long run. It would probably take you decades to pay them back.

And I would bet that they wouldn't accept your money.

Indeed. Oh, that reminds me, another good thing I can say about my parents - they (or at least mom, I don't know about dad) believe that inheritance is wrong and plan on spending all their money before they die. While this view isn't exactly beneficial to me, I agree with it.

You really need to get a handle on this issue with authority before you start working.

Your first few jobs are likely to be entry level, which means that your immediate supervisor (and probably several layers up from that) may not be particularly wise and mature. You may have to be taking orders from someone whose politics and beliefs are absolutely abhorrant to you. You may find yourself working under the direction of someone who seems absolutely ignorant to you philosophically. How are you going to deal with that?

There's a difference between "YOU WILL OBEY ME AND LISTEN TO ME BECAUSE... because... BECAUSE I'M YOUR MOTHER!!!" and "Do what I say because it's your job!" The issue isn't so much authority as it's use in an
argument. I can take a supervisor telling me what work to do (I think) - I can't take, for example, mom using "I'M YOUR MOTHER!!" as an argument as to why I should care what her views about my career are when they're completely ungrounded nonsense (for the most part).

In essence, there's a difference between authoritarianism and duty (plus, I don't think my supervisor will try and make me go to church and pretend that I'm not having a horrible time. She/He'll want me to type stuff, move papers and boxes, lift things, tend to customers, etc.).

I agree with Alceste on this one - you should get one credit card, and use it very sparingly - for instance, charge $30 on it and then turn right around and pay it right back. If you have online banking, you can use that credit card, and then immediately shoot off a payment from your checking account - and never "feel" the debt or pay a penny of interest.

Paying for a cell phone won't build your credit, but NOT paying a cell phone bill will definitely impact your credit!

You can apply for a small line of credit associated with your checking account - and just simply never overdraw your account and keep the line of credit at zero. That will show as a line of credit TO your credit - one that you handle well. Sometimes those lines of credit are easy to qualify for -but only if you have a job.

It's hard to be an adult and build a responsibly run life of comfort and security. It takes many years to "get ahead of the curve" and go beyond living paycheck to paycheck. Many people never even reach that point - it takes planning and prudence. If your parents have reached this point in their lives (as it sounds they have) you should at least respect them for this - and appreciate them for starting you off from such a vantage point. I have a feeling that if you made an effort to show them some respect and appreciation for what they've done well, your relationship with them would improve quite a bit.

It's very difficult as a parent to live in close proximity with someone who holds you in disdain and thinks they are so much wiser than you, especially when this person is someone you love so much you would sacrifice your life for them. Believe it or not, this is the sad litany of most parents of teenagers, many of whom are absolutely insufferable. But life is also full of irony and humor. As each of my five children has crossed over that threshold and begun to build successful lives on the foundations I laid for them, they've gone from rebellious and, frankly awful, to respectful and loving (well, four of the five - we still have an 18 year old at home who thinks he's sooooooooo much smarter than we are!). I am very thankful for these transitions - but I also admit to a sense of "HA! Take THAT!" when they call saying things like, "Oh my gosh - tires are so expensive!" or "And then he just fell down on the floor in the mall and started screaming at the top of his lungs - I was so embarrassed!"

Now - payback will be complete when the current 18 year old's future son wrecks HIS vehicle three times in two years - and he has to pay the insurance premiums - and deductible.

So you're saying I SHOULD get a credit card, get as small a loan as possible, and then immediately pay it back?

Yeah, but you see, if I had the tire issue, I wouldn't go calling my parents about it. I'd pay for the bloody tire and get on with my life (or walk, whatever I have to do). My parents don't need to know about my problems. Even if I was starving and living in a cardboard box, my parents wouldn't need to know. All they'd do is make fun of me, like they've always done when I've had problems they've known about.
 

jeanie

Member
You may need some help from a guidance councilor or one of those free services that helps kids in trouble. Not that you're in trouble but they can help give you advice and help get you on your way. Good luck, it's an important step in a person's life, you'll be happy after too.
 
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