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oh I love this. What of those who do not believe in God, therefore do not believe reality exists? They would require proof? Proof of reality by subjecting reality unto reality. Its madness. Do these people notice that they are insane? Or are they ignorant of there ignorance? We are not talking about a man in the sky with a beard here. We are discussing our creation.
I'm not following. What does belief in God have to do with perception?
If you cannot believe In creator than your very existence is null. We would not be here to have this conversation. How then could you have any knowledge of reality or perception?
Perception is a neurological phenomenon, it has nothing to do with belief.
Sensory inputs are arranged into an abstract representation that, while having little resemblance to actual reality, allows us to navigatate the world.
My cat perceives just as I do. She has no belief in any creator, as far as I know, and her existence is not "null."
So your belief is that perception is a neurological phenomenon, and that recognized existence in God iS not required nor is understanding God.?
Sorry to be the **** in your pot but that is simply not true.
Where do you think the idea of perception comes from if not from the creator?
Whether you believe in God or not does not deny his existence in your life.
The creator made reality and your perception,
Nothing can EXIST WITHOUT FIRST BEING MADE
YOU CAN NOT GET SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Ramana gives the solution. Solve the question "Who Am I". That's all needed. Others keep running around the world getting exhausted only.
Caseus
New Member
I would hate to think I'm nitpicking, but assuming you believe in a creator in some way distinct from his creation (the broadly Abrahamic idea), where does the creator come from? The existence of a creator beyond matter does not remove the issue of how the very first something came out of nothing, as a self-creating creator is no more logical than a self-creating universe.
lukethethird
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That's all real fine and dandy, but if we don't experience reality through the lens of a believer then our perception of reality is skewed, if you get my drift.
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As above so below. The only way to understand god is to study creation.
It was created. That is a fact because its here, case in point.
I think therefore I am
Now lets study reality of this creation through science, philosophy, and religion.
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Yes. I believe atheists, heathens, dogs and cats perceive the world just as well as Christians do.
What does the idea of perception have to do with perception? You don't have to have any special belief or understanding to see, hear, taste, &c.
That may be, but i don't have to understand this to perceive the world.
By "made" do you mean intentionally created? If so, this is clearly not the case. Things are created by unguided, natural means all the time.
Why not?
Christians believe the whole universe was created out of nothing -- apparently by magic.
Physicists have a similar belief, though they don't fall back on magic as an explanation, and their concept of "nothing" is somewhat complex.
So you believe physicists have the best understanding of God, then?
If so, why are so many of them atheists?
From what I understand by your outlook suggests that everything is natural. But god is the natural, how then can you deny nature? Denying yourself in the process.
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The trinity, Science, philosophy, and religion (the 3) constitute the keys to unraveling the mysteries of life.
A strictly scientific outlook is not very broad indeed. It would hold those in the bounds of science. Which is closed minded. Unadaptable to views from outside of its framework.
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I don't deny nature, but neither do I personify it or attribute intention to it.
Caseus
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That is fair enough, although I would go a little further. If we take God to be perfect, omnipotent and absolute, he would be incapable of making a mistake. Anything he creates would therefore be a perfect expression of himself; as the universe is thus an extension of God, there is no higher divinity than that which we ordinarily perceive. God IS the universe; there is no need to have even any concept of God as something to be understood separate from or even through the universe.
THere was never any mention of intent by God.
What does the trinity have to do with unraveling "the mysteries of life." And what are "the mysteries of life," anyway?
Man's had religion for as long as anyone can remember, yet never managed to unravel any mysteries. It was only with the advent of science that any progress in understanding the world was achieved.