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How do we know a Prophet is a Prophet and sent by God?

TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
robocop (actually) said:
And what if God reveals Himself in a new form that's better and you have to recognize Him?
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dybmh said:
That contradicts Deuteronomy 13:1-2.
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Could it be that it is just a frame of reference that is relevant to the age we live in, that we all see the same G_d, only via the G_d given Messengers, thus Deuteronomy 13:1-2 is not applicable, as that is the G_d we all know.

Verse 4 said we must obey His Voice and the only way we hear that voice is via a Prophet.

Thus is it possible, that in each age when G_d Speaks via a Messenger, that we need to heed that voice to remain true to G_d!

It seems that passage offers that False Prophets will not stand the test of time, yet we may fall from G_ds grace because we begin to follow false prophets that arise amongst us.

To me that would be the priests that start offering they know G_d's Will for us, a voice of sheep that becomes a wolf in sheep's clothing, because they offer they have the knowledge of G_d's Will.

Baha'u'llah offered it in this way, he was addressing the religious divines of all Faiths.

"O YE THAT ARE FOOLISH, YET HAVE A NAME TO BE WISE! Wherefore do ye wear the guise of shepherds, when inwardly ye have become wolves, intent upon My flock? Ye are even as the star, which riseth ere the dawn, and which, though it seem radiant and luminous, leadeth the wayfarers of My city astray into the paths of perdition."

Regards Tony
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Seeker of White Light said:
The true essence of God is impossible for humans to describe :) not sure we even should try to explain God to other human beings :) because their understanding or wisdom about God would be different than our own.
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Maybe we can consider that it is OK to freely talk with each other, as to where we gained that understanding or knowledge, and freely discuss what source of "Widsom" we have used?

Find a Unity in our Diversity. ;)

Regards Tony
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
loverofhumanity said:
Now Christianity and Islam have spread all over the world. Why? If the Prophets were just ordinary people like you and I then we should be able to replicate everything they did, change civilisation and acquire billions of followers. Can any of us do that? If so then do it and if not why not?
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Why would ordinary people want to do that? I understand why con men like Joseph Smith or crazy people like Jim Jones do it and why they are successful but I'm a bad liar and couldn't do it.
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
robocop (actually) said:
What if they claim it's the real God?
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The key here is we do need to determine this.

I see the Prophet has no self, but they speak what God has told them to speak.

"He speaketh not as prompted by His own self, but as bidden by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Wise."

Regards Tony
 
CG Didymus

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
TransmutingSoul said:
The key here is we do need to determine this.

I see the Prophet has no self, but they speak what God has told them to speak.

"He speaketh not as prompted by His own self, but as bidden by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Wise."

Regards Tony
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When I think of a "prophet" I think of those that are in the Jewish Bible. Now Baha'is have those they consider "manifestations" in all the other religions. But who do Baha'is consider to be prophets in all the other religions other than Judaism? It seems as if we were to take away Judaism out of the progression of religions, Baha'is would lose a lot of people they say are manifestations and prophets. So, for manifestations, we'd have Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Jesus, Muhammad and your two, The Bab and Baha'u'llah. Now could you name some prophets from those religions?
 
firedragon

firedragon

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QuestioningMind said:
I confess, it's an assumption on my part. A magical pixies is VERY mysterious, so I can't be sure.

So what have we concluded about this 'thought experiment' thus far?
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Brother. There is no conclusion at all. With all of these pestering I was only trying to show you that its a baseless argument to put forth pixies, unicorns, spaghetti monsters and flying living creatures saying "its the same as this". I know it's an overly used style of argumentation by many.

As an intellectual person, don't use these arguments even if they are used by very famous people in the world.

Peace.
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
CG Didymus said:
When I think of a "prophet" I think of those that are in the Jewish Bible. Now Baha'is have those they consider "manifestations" in all the other religions. But who do Baha'is consider to be prophets in all the other religions other than Judaism? It seems as if we were to take away Judaism out of the progression of religions, Baha'is would lose a lot of people they say are manifestations and prophets. So, for manifestations, we'd have Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Jesus, Muhammad and your two, The Bab and Baha'u'llah. Now could you name some prophets from those religions?
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By their fruits you shall know them.

Here are some of those.

Galatians 5:22-2322 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self control.
Against such things there is no law."

Regards Tony
 
CG Didymus

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
TransmutingSoul said:
By their fruits you shall know them.

Here are some of those.

Galatians 5:22-2322 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self control.
Against such things there is no law."

Regards Tony
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Well, that makes it easy to know who a real prophet is and who isn't. So, name all the people that had all those qualities and that claimed to be speaking for God and everything they foretold came true.

But I'm sure you know what I was really asking. In Judaism, there were lots of prophets. Some Baha'is like to say that all the religions got corrupted over time. But, in Judaism, this was the purpose of having prophets... to get the people back on track with doing and believing the original teachings. Are there and were there those types of prophets in all the other religions? People that could say, "Thus says the Lord" and what they said came true. If there were those types of people in all the other religions, who were they?
 
Q

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
firedragon said:
Brother. There is no conclusion at all. With all of these pestering I was only trying to show you that its a baseless argument to put forth pixies, unicorns, spaghetti monsters and flying living creatures saying "its the same as this". I know it's an overly used style of argumentation by many.

As an intellectual person, don't use these arguments even if they are used by very famous people in the world.

Peace.
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I stand by my original statement. An unverifiable god is as meaningless as an unverifiable magical pixie. One unverifiable claim has as much value as any other unverifiable claim. You've said nothing to indicate that it's a baseless argument.

Joy
 
Luchito Prays

Luchito Prays

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A prophet has been sent by a god when the words of the prophet concentrates the most in the God who sent him. The prophecies involve the act or influence of their god.

Prophets who's messages concentrates in humanity the most, those prophets talk their own thoughts, those come from themselves or from another man who has sent him.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
QuestioningMind said:
One unverifiable claim has as much value as any other unverifiable claim. You've said nothing to indicate that it's a baseless argument.
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The problem is, you have changed your so called Magical Pixie to an "unverifiable pixie". And you think that's a great but sly change to suit your agenda. Nice.

So fine. Lets go ahead.

Can you give your definitions of both of these characters?

1. Unverifiable God.
2. What are the arguments you have heard for this unverifiable God.
3. Unverifiable Pixie
4. What are the arguments you have heard for this unverifiable pixie.

Thanks.
 
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