How do we know the Bible was not written by demons?

[danieldemol]

you know a tree by the fruit it bears

So what are these ‘fruits’ and how do we know they don’t apply to more than one religion?

 

[MJFlores]

Nice.

So whats your point?

My point is that the Chinese Communist Party doesn't use something blindly as year numbers as references without knowing the freaking reason why.

Qin Shi Huang, previously Zheng, King of Qin, personal name Yíng Zhèng or Zhào Zhèng, was the founder of the Qin dynasty and the first emperor of a unified China. He became China's first emperor when he was 38 after the Qin had conquered all of the other Warring States and unified all of China in 221 BC. Wikipedia
Born: 18 February 259 BC, Handan, China
Died: 10 September 210 BC, Julu Commandery

They could have used the death year of the first emperor of China, Qin Shi Huang - and start from there to here. But they didn't. They have to use the years of our Lord Jesus Christ as references to mark the times of the year, not withstanding they are godless and traditionally Buddhist.

Now is Jesus historical? Have anybody wondered why the heck 1949, 2019 or whatever year your birthday is, stands for?

 

[MJFlores]

Nope, you're wrong. China doesn't give reference to Jesus. It uses BCE and CE(common era).

So what is common?
Is it really COMMON or is it actually Christian or really Christ.

Do you have a reference link for that?
Or you just desperately invented that so you could squirm out of this, one way or another?

 

[Thief]

So what are these ‘fruits’ and how do we know they don’t apply to more than one religion?

the quote I used applies to all people.....each one of us

the word 'fruit' is a metaphor

if your hand does anything at all
it's because you thought you should
or you felt like it

good people do good things for good reasons

 

[rational experiences]

The human state beginning and end quote.

Says as a human I am the Alpha and the Omega as a science quote.

Yet in using words, the Alpha state is just the Alpha state
The Omega state is just the Omega state.

And says these 2 states support his life existing.

Which in a human self presence owns no human beginning and owned no human end.

For each self presence is ended to own form....so does not go beyond self presence.

Each presence on Earth however exists in a span of life...that is defined as self aging.

Meaning the natural conditions in which you live causes you to age and then die.

Death is an end also by causes.

What one condition in all states natural and origin as ONE....meaning owns its ONE body, self presence as ONE form?

NATURAL.

What is science?

Not natural, it is ANTI to form...by conditions of forced human change.

So you would ask a scientist, okay theist is GOD a devil?

No, you cannot be 2 conditions as his evil answer to his evil lying conjuring self...against God natural history and against any statement about ONE...natural first/origin being the state for ONE. Origin. Meaning its owned presence is owned in that presence origin, owned the presence of its origin HOLY ONE teaching.

Science never abided that Law.

 

[night912]

So what is common?
Is it really COMMON or is it actually Christian or really Christ.

Do you have a reference link for that?
Or you just desperately invented that so you could squirm out of this, one way or another?

- In China, upon the foundation of the Republic of China, the Government in Nanking adopted the Republic of China calendar with 1912 designated as year 1, but used the Western calendar for international purposes. The translated term was 西元 ("xī yuán", "Western Era"). Later, in 1949, the People's Republic of Chinaadopted 公元 (gōngyuán, "Common Era") for all purposes domestic and foreign（as well as Hong Kong in 1997 and Macau in 1999 to eliminate the usage of Minguo Era in these places. -

Common Era - Wikipedia

So I win providing you proofs based on historical facts, and not just trying to make things fit in.

 

[firedragon]

My point is that the Chinese Communist Party doesn't use something blindly as year numbers as references without knowing the freaking reason why.

Qin Shi Huang, previously Zheng, King of Qin, personal name Yíng Zhèng or Zhào Zhèng, was the founder of the Qin dynasty and the first emperor of a unified China. He became China's first emperor when he was 38 after the Qin had conquered all of the other Warring States and unified all of China in 221 BC. Wikipedia
Born: 18 February 259 BC, Handan, China
Died: 10 September 210 BC, Julu Commandery

They could have used the death year of the first emperor of China, Qin Shi Huang - and start from there to here. But they didn't. They have to use the years of our Lord Jesus Christ as references to mark the times of the year, not withstanding they are godless and traditionally Buddhist.

Now is Jesus historical? Have anybody wondered why the heck 1949, 2019 or whatever year your birthday is, stands for?

Okay. So its the year of the lord.

SO whats your point?

 

[MJFlores]

That is too good to be true and it is not practiced not even with them.
If you will examine the picture below which is an image of the leading newspaper in Taiwan
You will find the date in the upper right hand corner - and it isn't Chinese.

Even Hongkong's South China Morning Post newspaper is using the proper year in reference to the year of our Lord.

Common Era - Wikipedia

So I win providing you proofs based on historical facts, and not just trying to make things fit in.

Thanks for the link.

Common Era (CE) is one of the notation systems for the world's most widely used calendar era. BCE (Before the Common Era or Before the Current Era) is the era before CE. BCE and CE are alternatives to the Dionysian BC and AD system respectively. The Dionysian era distinguishes eras using BC ("before Christ") and AD (anno Domini, "in [the] year of [the] Lord")

In the later 20th century, the use of CE and BCE was popularized in academic and scientific publications as a culturally neutral term. It is also used by some authors and publishers who wish to emphasize sensitivity to non-Christians by not explicitly referencing Jesus as "Christ" and Dominus ("Lord") through use of the abbreviation[c] "AD".

Dionysius labeled the column of the table in which he introduced the new era as "Anni Domini Nostri Jesu Christi".

Common Era is really Christian / Christ Era. Your link provided the answer and the truth. It was a desperate at defining the "C" - they could have gone for cuteness era for all you know. Now it is too lame to use the word Common, why is there a Before Common Era? What is that? What is obvious in between that is Jesus Christ, himself.

You proved my point - CHRIST is a historical person. Yay, you win!

Okay. So its the year of the lord.

SO whats your point?

The point is Jesus Christ is Lord and that's in the Bible.

Acts 2:36 New International Version (NIV)
“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

 

[firedragon]

That is too good to be true and it is not practiced not even with them.
If you will examine the picture below which is an image of the leading newspaper in Taiwan
You will find the date in the upper right hand corner - and it isn't Chinese.

Even Hongkong's South China Morning Post newspaper is using the proper year in reference to the year of our Lord.

Thanks for the link.

Common Era (CE) is one of the notation systems for the world's most widely used calendar era. BCE (Before the Common Era or Before the Current Era) is the era before CE. BCE and CE are alternatives to the Dionysian BC and AD system respectively. The Dionysian era distinguishes eras using BC ("before Christ") and AD (anno Domini, "in [the] year of [the] Lord")

In the later 20th century, the use of CE and BCE was popularized in academic and scientific publications as a culturally neutral term. It is also used by some authors and publishers who wish to emphasize sensitivity to non-Christians by not explicitly referencing Jesus as "Christ" and Dominus ("Lord") through use of the abbreviation[c] "AD".

Dionysius labeled the column of the table in which he introduced the new era as "Anni Domini Nostri Jesu Christi".

Common Era is really Christian / Christ Era. Your link provided the answer and the truth. It was a desperate at defining the "C" - they could have gone for cuteness era for all you know. Now it is too lame to use the word Common, why is there a Before Common Era? What is that? What is obvious in between that is Jesus Christ, himself.

You proved my point - CHRIST is a historical person. Yay, you win!



The point is Jesus Christ is Lord and that's in the Bible.

Acts 2:36 New International Version (NIV)
“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

So Jesus Christ is the lord based on the "Year of the Lord"! Thats your evidence for Jesus being "The Lord"? Do all calendars make the one named after the "Lord"?

 

[Samantha Rinne]

How do we know the Bible was not written by demons?

I know I know, because they don’t exist.

But suppose if you believed in demons and believed that demons can impersonate the dead.

Demons could have stolen Lazuras body and impersonated him, and the same for Jesus, or Jesus Himself could even be a demon in league with other demons.

We know that it isn't so by the same reason we know Christianity isn't an evil religion. "You shall know them by their fruits," Jesus says.

So, we have history lessons. Roman polytheism caused oppression and crucifixion among mant of its citizens. High taxes, big state, etc. We know that Norse polytheism was a warrior cult, and the Vikings spent most of their time raiding and looting. We know that during the Dark Ages, much of their energy was spent on Crusades vs Islam. So we see this long bad period, and decide it must be because of Christianity's influence. But to the north, we have Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland. Remember those Vikings? Well, after conversion to Christianity, we compare the general History of Scandinavia with the Christianization of Scandinavia.
Christianization of Scandinavia - Wikipedia
History of Scandinavia - Wikipedia
Around 8th century, they started Christianizing. Around this time, these Vikings gradually stopped raiding and started settling. Not only that, the number of wars seems to decline.
Back to Europe as a whole. Until about the 20th century, Europe was predominantly Christian. This was not because everyone was super-religious, it was out of necessity. The alternative was having non-united regions culturally, and possibly getting sacked by Muslims (remember, the flipside of the Crusades are the Jihads). Despite constant conflict, Europe also managed a sort of peace, and made strides in architecture, medicine, and science. Atheism claims credit for these, but atheism is really only the result of free society.

Meanwhile, in the last 100+ years, we've got to see the fruits of a secular society. Two World Wars. A Holocaust. Communism killing people in Germany, China, Russia, and South East Asia. And the results of globalism aren't pretty. Open borders helped spread COVID-19. Thanks, but uhhh I think we'll stick with having religion.

 

[MJFlores]

So Jesus Christ is the lord based on the "Year of the Lord"! Thats your evidence for Jesus being "The Lord"? Do all calendars make the one named after the "Lord"?

Not my own evidence.
Everybody knows it, except a few.
It is in your average dictionary and encyclopedia.

in the year of our Lord

Definition of in the year of our Lord


formal
—used before a year to say that it is after the birth of Jesus Christ
The couple married on this day in the year of our Lord 1954.

Definition of IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD.

The terms anno Domini (AD) and before Christ (BC)[note 1] are used to label or number years in the Julian and Gregorian calendars. The term anno Domini is Medieval Latin and means "in the year of the Lord",[1] but is often presented using "our Lord" instead of "the Lord",[2][3] taken from the full original phrase "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi", which translates to "in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ".

Anno Domini - Wikipedia

 

[firedragon]

Not my own evidence.
Everybody knows it, except a few.
It is in your average dictionary and encyclopedia.

in the year of our Lord

Definition of in the year of our Lord


formal
—used before a year to say that it is after the birth of Jesus Christ
The couple married on this day in the year of our Lord 1954.

Definition of IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD.

The terms anno Domini (AD) and before Christ (BC)[note 1] are used to label or number years in the Julian and Gregorian calendars. The term anno Domini is Medieval Latin and means "in the year of the Lord",[1] but is often presented using "our Lord" instead of "the Lord",[2][3] taken from the full original phrase "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi", which translates to "in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ".

Anno Domini - Wikipedia

So the calendar is your evidence! Well, its your prerogative.

By the way, Jesus was not born on year zero. People who invented this calendar didnt know what they were doing.

 

[danieldemol]

We know that it isn't so by the same reason we know Christianity isn't an evil religion. "You shall know them by their fruits," Jesus says.

So, we have history lessons. Roman polytheism caused oppression and crucifixion among mant of its citizens. High taxes, big state, etc.

You are cherry picking history here, for example you are ignoring Christian Rome which persecuted and oppressed pagans Persecution of pagans in the late Roman Empire - Wikipedia and Roman taxes were still high when the English went to war with the Romans.

We know that Norse polytheism was a warrior cult, and the Vikings spent most of their time raiding and looting. We know that during the Dark Ages, much of their energy was spent on Crusades vs Islam. So we see this long bad period, and decide it must be because of Christianity's influence. But to the north, we have Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland.

So when it comes to religion you want us to focus on Denmark Norway and Sweden, but when it comes to secular governments you want us to ignore the modern governments in similar regions?

Remember those Vikings? Well, after conversion to Christianity, we compare the general History of Scandinavia with the Christianization of Scandinavia.
Christianization of Scandinavia - Wikipedia
History of Scandinavia - Wikipedia
Around 8th century, they started Christianizing. Around this time, these Vikings gradually stopped raiding and started settling. Not only that, the number of wars seems to decline.

But does it decline because the Vikings have started to settle or because they are Christianised? From your Wikipedia article on Scandinavian Christianisation;
“Archaeological excavations of burial sites on the island of Lovön near modern-day Stockholm have shown that the actual Christianization of the people was very slow and took at least 150 to 200 years,[8] and this was a very central location in the Swedish kingdom. Thirteenth-century runic inscriptionsfrom the merchant town of Bergen in Norway show little Christian influence, and one of them appeals to a Valkyrie.[9]”

And don’t forget, “As a result of the adoption of Christianity by the monarchy and eventually the entirety of the country, traditional shamanistic practices were marginalized and eventually persecuted. Völvas, practitioners of seid, a Scandinavian pre-Christian tradition, were executed or exiled under newly Christianized governments in the eleventh and twelfth centuries.[13]”

...Meanwhile, in the last 100+ years, we've got to see the fruits of a secular society. Two World Wars. A Holocaust. Communism killing people in Germany, China, Russia, and South East Asia. And the results of globalism aren't pretty. Open borders helped spread COVID-19. Thanks, but uhhh I think we'll stick with having religion.

It is not correct to pretend that all secular states are either Communist or Nazi states. What about the fruits of countries such as Sweden which is amongst the most secular countries in Europe.

Many secular countries closed their borders in response to Covid-19, and in the US it was the push by evangelicals to ignore the warnings of the scientific community with regards to social distancing and other health measures which lead to 113,000 deaths in the US due to covid-19.

I would agree with you that overall Christianity is not an evil religion.
But I would also consider Buddhism to not be an evil religion when looked at from an overall perspective. And I would certainly question why you are blind to secular countries which seem far better off than the US with a fraction of the size and resources.

 

[MJFlores]

By the way, Jesus was not born on year zero.

This thing is about one reply to me if Jesus is historical.
I have to say its in the affirmative. Why would I doubt that?
Its obvious, its 2020 man! I was born in 1964!
These numbers came from what? In reference to?
Mickey Mouse? Goofy? Jimmy Cricket? Kermit the Frog? No,
But someone who is greater than Qin Shi Huang.
Someone greater than Alexander the Great.
Someone greater than Genghis Khan
Someone greater than Buddha and even Muhammad.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Actually the common belief is that Jesus was born closer to 6 BC.

I don't really understand what this timeline has to do with anything though, as I came in late. Except that the Common Era is a crappy attempt to pave over Christianity by using new terms.

Why is it a Common Era? Because practically everyone was Christian until like the 1960s or so. It's not actually common though, since there is Japanese time periods (which use eras based on rule, so they literally have an expression that doesn't translate well about being "the end of an era"), Muslim time, Jewish time, and probably several others.
This reveals though, that secularism is actively anti-Christian since rather than trying to use something scientific like geological time, they just pave over Christian time, and act like it was common to all.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Crud, it wiped my edits.

Sweden is always rolled out as a fake example.

It was rolled out as an example that "socialism can work." Except the Swedish people abandoned socialism in favor of economic libertarian ideas. They were heading towards, well , Detroit then they bounced back.

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Likewise, atheism has a suicide problem in this country where they are 30%.

But what about the other 60%? Church of Sweden. Sorry, guys.

Religion in Sweden - Wikipedia

 

[firedragon]

This thing is about one reply to me if Jesus is historical.
I have to say its in the affirmative. Why would I doubt that?
Its obvious, its 2020 man! I was born in 1964!
These numbers came from what? In reference to?
Mickey Mouse? Goofy? Jimmy Cricket? Kermit the Frog? No,
But someone who is greater than Qin Shi Huang.
Someone greater than Alexander the Great.
Someone greater than Genghis Khan
Someone greater than Buddha and even Muhammad.

Not good research.

Anyway, I dont think Mickey mouse was born some 2020 years ago. You should have known that before making statements like this. Read up.

 

[MJFlores]

Not good research.

Anyway, I dont think Mickey mouse was born some 2020 years ago. You should have known that before making statements like this. Read up.

I'm not really a researcher but 2020 is reference to Jesus Christ.
And it that simply answers Jesus is historical.
If he ain't, then why is history referencing annual times on a fictional character?

 

[firedragon]

I'm not really a researcher but 2020 is reference to Jesus Christ.
And it that simply answers Jesus is historical.
If he ain't, then why is history referencing annual times on a fictional character?

Yeah. But wrong.

 

[MJFlores]

Yeah. But wrong.

If it is wrong, why do we still continue following the numbering system in reference to Jesus Christ?
Assuming he is just a fictional character.
Isn't it right to change the numbering system to a more relevant or real reference so we could put things straight?
Can't we refer our years to a real historical person, assuming Jesus is a fictional character?
Is the world, stupid?