I find the question irrelevant as why would demons want you to worship God?
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How do we know the Bible was not written by demons?
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MJFlores
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Maybe they just want you to worship a false god, or maybe they are just saying they want you to worship the true God for the same reason Satan appears as an angel of light (ie to deceive people).
MJFlores
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Seriously, I believe the other versions of the flood are adaptations of different cultures in order to define and make sense of their own societies.
Like the flood in its many versions, the creation story varies among countries and cultures - such have been studies in schools, and mere literary works. For example:
Ancient Japan creation story:
According to this legend, after the creation of Heaven and Earth, the gods Izanagi and Izanami were given the task of forming a series of islands that would become what is now Japan. In Japanese mythology, these islands make up the known world. The creation of Japan is followed by the creation of the gods (kamiumi).
Kuniumi - Wikipedia
Ancient China creation story: Chinese creation myths - Wikipedia
Ancient Philippines creation story: The Legend of Malakas and Maganda (English version of “Ang Alamat ni Malakas at Maganda”
With regards to the flood, there are different versions despite of this, the most important thing is these cultures confirm that the flood indeed happened. If the other mentions an ark, well like the POTUS said:
Samael_Khan
Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
I am only asking to get your understanding of things.
I used to be a Jehovahs Witness so they believed that the Holy Spirit is the same as God's Spirit but it is an active force, and it seems like Lucas got his idea of the Force in Star Wars from their interpretation of the Holy Spirit, so it provides a good comparison to their view.
I phrases my second question wrong. Another option is an unintelligent force guides by those who wield it. Do you think it is a person, like an angel, does it have intelligence, is it God's actual spirit, etc. So what is the Holy spirit in relation to God and Jesus?
My question isn't whether the Holy Spirit causes all believers to perform miracles but whether the Holy Spirit is the thing that causes those believers who do work miracles to perform them.
Samael_Khan
Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
All I can say is, the other versions are wet too.
That reply is as wet as a hurricane.
Trump is hilarious though
Your memes are pretty funny
MJFlores
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My understanding is limited to what the Bible discloses.
The Force [Star Wars] is totally different from the Holy Spirit.
The Force
The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together.
I am a manifestation of the Force, a Force that consists of two parts: living beings generate the Living Force, which in turn powers the wellspring that is the Cosmic Force [...] All energy from the Living Force, from all things that have ever lived, feeds into the Cosmic Force, binding everything.
It's the energy between all things, a tension, a balance that binds the universe together.
I could compare literary works as food.
Some are nourishing and complete meals
Some are just for meriendas [a light meal in southern Europe, particularly Spain, Portugal, Andorra and Brazil, Italy, as well as Hispanic America and the Philippines]
Some are junk food with no nutritional value whatsoever
Some are bubble gums and chewing gums.
Sci Fi for me are chewing gums if I would compare them to the food classes
Why?
My comment: According to the sci fi movie, the Force exists in all things. Some sort of energy to be tapped.
The Holy Spirit is alive, a spirit and could by sent by the Father to those who ask him.
Luke 11:13 New International Version (NIV)
If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
The Bible says the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth.
John 15:26 New International Version (NIV)
“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.
About Miracles
This is what the Bible say with regards to miracles and the Holy Spirit
1 Corinthians 12:4-10 New International Version (NIV)
There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
Yes, if it is a miracle from God, the Holy Spirit is involved.
But the gifts of the Spirit is not limited to miracles, as the Bible says
It could be a message of wisdom
It could be a message of knowledge, of faith
It could be of prophecy
It could be discerning and judging
It could be speaking in different languages - without formal education
It could be a message of knowledge, of faith
It could be of prophecy
It could be discerning and judging
It could be speaking in different languages - without formal education
However, miracles like healing the sick is not an evidence that God is at work or that the Holy Spirit is involved. Even the devil could perform miracles. And this fact is recorded in the Bible:
Matthew 24:24 New International Version (NIV)
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Segev Moran
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You can know it by the ten commadments.
Demons, People, Angles.
It doesn't really matter.
Just read the ten simple rules and witness life flourish.
If you say demons in the sense of "evil" beings.
There are no such beings, nor people.
There is no one man made law that is smarter than the 10 simple ways of God.
MJFlores
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The new testament is literature written by people. It's fiction. Why do you mention demons?
Isn't not the old testament also written by people?
Or would you rather believe something written by a monkey?
THE BIBLE IS consists of sixty-six (66) books and written by more than forty (40) men including the Prophet Moses, the King David and the Apostle Paul. However, because the books of the Bible were written by men, others immediately dismissed the Bible as the word of God. They asked, “How can the Bible be the word of God if it is written only by men?” Thus, they dismissed the Bible as a “sacred text” and see it only as a human text that can be analyzed and criticized like any other literary works.
Not because the biblical books were written by men it does not necessarily means that the Bible is not God’s word, not a “sacred text.” These men wrote God’s words because God commanded them to do so. Jeremiah wrote the biblical book “Jeremiah” because God ordered Him to do so:
“This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you.” (Jeremiah 30:2 NIV)
Even in the Christian era, the apostles like Apostle John, were commanded by God to write His words:
“I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.” (Revelation 1:9-11 NKJV)
Thus, the biblical books were written by men whom God commissioned to do so. What they wrote is God’s words, “'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you.”
It is like a letter which the president ordered his secretary to write. Technically, it is written by the secretary, but it does not necessarily means that the letter is not from the president.
The prophets and the apostles wrote the biblical books because God commaned them to do so.
Not only that God commanded them to write His words, but they wrote the biblical books through God’s inspiration. This is what Apostle Paul said in II Timothy 3:15-17:
“And that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (NKJV)
This is why the writers of the biblical books are called “inspired writers.” These men wrote through God’s inspirations or they were inspired by God when writing the biblical books.
The notion that the biblical books were written by men make others to immediately dismissed the Bible as God’s word because “all men commit mistakes.” However, they failed to consider that these men who wrote the biblical vooks were inspired by God. What does it mean that these men who wrote the biblical books were inspired by God? In Revelation 10:4 this is what we could read:
“Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, ‘Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.’” (Revelation 10:4 NKJV)
“They wrote through God’s inspiration” means the Lord God guided them as they wrote His words. It is the Lord God Himself who decides what should be written and what should not be written. It is also the Lord God who decides when the inspired writers will end the writing of the biblical book:
“But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.” (Daniel 12:4 NIV)
“He said to me, "And now, Daniel, close the book and put a seal on it until the end of the world. Meanwhile, many people will waste their efforts trying to understand what is happening.” (Daniel 12:4 TEV)
Thus, the real issue here is not if the biblical books were written by men, but if those men who wrote the biblical books were truly inspired by God and what they wrote are truly God’s words.
syo
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Have you read the new testament? And did you find it historical??? It's a huge GHOST-STORY. Harry Potter has more truth than the new testament. A virgin birth??? Walking on water??? Come ON!Isn't not the old testament also written by people?
Or would you rather believe something written by a monkey?
THE BIBLE IS consists of sixty-six (66) books and written by more than forty (40) men including the Prophet Moses, the King David and the Apostle Paul. However, because the books of the Bible were written by men, others immediately dismissed the Bible as the word of God. They asked, “How can the Bible be the word of God if it is written only by men?” Thus, they dismissed the Bible as a “sacred text” and see it only as a human text that can be analyzed and criticized like any other literary works.
Not because the biblical books were written by men it does not necessarily means that the Bible is not God’s word, not a “sacred text.” These men wrote God’s words because God commanded them to do so. Jeremiah wrote the biblical book “Jeremiah” because God ordered Him to do so:
“This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you.” (Jeremiah 30:2 NIV)
Even in the Christian era, the apostles like Apostle John, were commanded by God to write His words:
“I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.” (Revelation 1:9-11 NKJV)
Thus, the biblical books were written by men whom God commissioned to do so. What they wrote is God’s words, “'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you.”
It is like a letter which the president ordered his secretary to write. Technically, it is written by the secretary, but it does not necessarily means that the letter is not from the president.
The prophets and the apostles wrote the biblical books because God commaned them to do so.
Not only that God commanded them to write His words, but they wrote the biblical books through God’s inspiration. This is what Apostle Paul said in II Timothy 3:15-17:
“And that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (NKJV)
This is why the writers of the biblical books are called “inspired writers.” These men wrote through God’s inspirations or they were inspired by God when writing the biblical books.
The notion that the biblical books were written by men make others to immediately dismissed the Bible as God’s word because “all men commit mistakes.” However, they failed to consider that these men who wrote the biblical vooks were inspired by God. What does it mean that these men who wrote the biblical books were inspired by God? In Revelation 10:4 this is what we could read:
“Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, ‘Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.’” (Revelation 10:4 NKJV)
“They wrote through God’s inspiration” means the Lord God guided them as they wrote His words. It is the Lord God Himself who decides what should be written and what should not be written. It is also the Lord God who decides when the inspired writers will end the writing of the biblical book:
“But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.” (Daniel 12:4 NIV)
“He said to me, "And now, Daniel, close the book and put a seal on it until the end of the world. Meanwhile, many people will waste their efforts trying to understand what is happening.” (Daniel 12:4 TEV)
Thus, the real issue here is not if the biblical books were written by men, but if those men who wrote the biblical books were truly inspired by God and what they wrote are truly God’s words.
MJFlores
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If Christ made miracles using spells and incantations then it would be comparable with the tales of Harry Potter.
Without a doubt Jesus Christ is a historical figure and he made a significant impact that even the godless virus infested communist Chinese inadvertently recognizes him as a historical figure.
If you would look closely - why did they put on 1949 and 2019 signages during their parade?
Is this weird or what? It isn't weird if you yourself use 2020 or any calendar year pertaining and in reference to....?
syo
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No. Just no.
MJFlores
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syo
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2019 has nothing to do with Jesus.
MJFlores
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A.D. 1873." The idea of counting years has been around for as long as we have written records, but the idea of syncing up where everyone starts counting is relatively new. Today the international standard is to designate years based on a traditional reckoning of the year Jesus was born — the “A.D.” and "B.C." system.May 12, 2014
https://www.livescience.com/45510-anno-domini.html
Keeping Time: The Origin of B.C. & A.D. | Live Science
syo
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Cute.
But no.
syo
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Astronomy. The position of Earth in the sky.
