How do you eat steak?

[Subduction Zone]

It tastes better cooked, and since restaurant meat is mystery meat...
My one kid always said I burn the deer steak over the fire . but a little charcoal is good for you.

Right, it tastes better cooked. But that leaves a wide range. Even black and blue is cooked. You basically lost the debate when you showed that your reason is based on emotion and prejudice and not flavor..

And perhaps you need to go to a better quality restaurant. If a restaurant is so bad that one cannot tell what cut and grade of steak one is eating then having them cook it in a way that effectively ruins a good piece of meat might not be a bad idea.

 

[Revoltingest]

Steak should be ground up to make burgers,
which are then cooked well done, ie, clear thru,
but no charring.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Let me try to assuage your conscience a bit. Beef cows would not even be alive in the first place if people did not eat them. As a population they need some of them to be eaten to live in the first place.

That doesn't help.
Ever hear of a Judas Steer?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Right, it tastes better cooked. But that leaves a wide range. Even black and blue is cooked. You basically lost the debate when you showed that your reason is based on emotion and prejudice and not flavor..

And perhaps you need to go to a better quality restaurant. If a restaurant is so bad that one cannot tell what cut and grade of steak one is eating then having them cook it in a way that effectively ruins a good piece of meat might not be a bad idea.

I can't afford anything more high class than Bob Evans.
Of course, I could care less what anyone thinks about my food choices anyway.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It tastes better cooked, and since restaurant meat is mystery meat...
My one kid always said I burn the deer steak over the fire . but a little charcoal is good for you.

Mystery meat refers to specific things, like ground meats and processed meats. If a steak at a restaurant turns out to be mystery meat there's probably some laws being broken.
And that charcoal is actually carcinogenic. It's not good for anyone.
And even rare is cooked. But because steaks are a whole cut it's safer than something like a hamburger to serve below 160 degrees. Amd with a steak, at 160 it's tough and lost the juiciness and flavor.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A t-bone steak otoh, marbled and with fat at the side has to be well done. The fat has to be seared.

A good way to cook a t-bone is use a very hot cast iron skillet and cook the steak for a few minutes each side to sear it, then move the skillet into a very hot oven for a few minutes to finish cooking.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Steak should be ground up to make burgers,
which are then cooked well done, ie, clear thru,
but no charring.

Steak burgers are good.

 

[Heyo]

Meat is murder

Tasty, tasty murder.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Mystery meat refers to specific things, like ground meats and processed meats. If a steak at a restaurant turns out to be mystery meat there's probably some laws being broken.
And that charcoal is actually carcinogenic. It's not good for anyone.
And even rare is cooked. But because steaks are a whole cut it's safer than something like a hamburger to serve below 160 degrees. Amd with a steak, at 160 it's tough and lost the juiciness and flavor.

I don't find that they are tough or flavorless.
Charcoal helps digestion and removes toxins.
Besides meat seared over a fire tastes so much better.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't find that they are tough or flavorless.
Charcoal helps digestion and removes toxins.
Besides meat seared over a fire tastes so much better.

What the Science Really Says About Grilled Meat and Cancer Risk

a number of studies published in the past two decades have turned up evidence that eating charred, smoked, and well-done meat could raise cancer risk—pancreatic, colorectal, and prostate cancers, in particular.

A 2010 review of the evidence on cancer and “well-done” meat, conducted by researchers at Vanderbilt University, concluded that “the majority of these studies have shown that high intake of well-done meat and high exposure to meat carcinogens, particularly HCAs, may increase the risk of human cancer.”

 

[Wildswanderer]

What the Science Really Says About Grilled Meat and Cancer Risk

Yeah that's the drum the vegans beat all the time too.
But all our ancestors cooked meat over the fire all the time. I lived on venison pretty much for a lot of years. You can't get a healthier meat.
The real culprit is processed food.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I can't afford anything more high class than Bob Evans.
Of course, I could care less what anyone thinks about my food choices anyway.

It is nice to hear you that you say that the opinion of others matters to you. And I have not heard of Bob Evans, but they do appear to be pretty budget. You will get more joy out of life with just a little education. It is a waste to pay for food that one cannot properly enjoy. Like I said if one likes well done meats there are cuts that do taste better when cooked well. One that used to be low priced, at least it was when I grew up, is oxtail. That is the tail of the cow. Now it costs as much as a good steak at my supermarket. The problem is that very little of a cow is tail so though it still is a tough piece of meat since there is so little of it enough people are willing to pay that price that it is no longer cheap. But you might buy beef shank. Though that again is not as cheap as it used to be. In fact you might try to get just some beef marrow bones. Some places now cut them open down the middle. Cook low and slow until the marrow is completely done and then use as "butter" on bread.. You will thank me profusely. They can also be added to a stew. If you are not going to cook the stew for hours you still need to cook the bones a bit first so all of that incredible goodness can come out.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah that's the drum the vegans beat all the time too.
But all our ancestors cooked meat over the fire all the time. I lived on venison pretty much for a lot of years. You can't get a healthier meat.
The real culprit is processed food.

At least the linked article gave the study that supported their claims. Do you have one that supports yours?

 

[Wildswanderer]

It is nice to hear you that you say that the opinion of others matters to you. And I have not heard of Bob Evans, but they do appear to be pretty budget. You will get more joy out of life with just a little education. It is a waste to pay for food that one cannot properly enjoy. Like I said if one likes well done meats there are cuts that do taste better when cooked well. One that used to be low priced, at least it was when I grew up, is oxtail. That is the tail of the cow. Now it costs as much as a good steak at my supermarket. The problem is that very little of a cow is tail so though it still is a tough piece of meat since there is so little of it enough people are willing to pay that price that it is no longer cheap. But you might buy beef shank. Though that again is not as cheap as it used to be. In fact you might try to get just some beef marrow bones. Some places now cut them open down the middle. Cook low and slow until the marrow is completely done and then use as "butter" on bread.. You will thank me profusely. They can also be added to a stew. If you are not going to cook the stew for hours you still need to cook the bones a bit first so all of that incredible goodness can come out.

Lol, why would I do all that when I can shoot and process a few deer?
I love Bob Evans food, BTW. I enjoy it immensely on the rare occasion that I eat out...usually when I'm traveling. But I eat deer and the eggs from chickens we raise. There's nothing better than producing your own food.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That doesn't help.
Ever hear of a Judas Steer?

I have heard of a Judas Goat before but this is the first time that I have heard it applied to a steer, but it seems that they were used in the past too:

Judas goat - Wikipedia

 

[Wildswanderer]

At least the linked article gave the study that supported their claims. Do you have one that supports yours?

Why? Does everything depend on what someone on the internet says?

Just eat what you like and enjoy it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol, why would I do all that when I can shoot and process a few deer?
I love Bob Evans food, BTW. I enjoy it immensely on the rare occasion that I eat out...usually when I'm traveling. But I eat deer and the eggs from chickens we raise. There's nothing better than producing your own food.

As long as one does so legally. Though I do have to admit that once when growing up my father and my uncle shot a couple of dear out of season on the farm that I grew up on. He would normally go up to northern Minnesota to go hunting but for some reason they decided to go after the local stuff. I do have to admit that corn fed deer is far superior to deer that live in the woods. I would not advice poaching but that was the best venison I ever ate.

Where we lived legal shooting of deer could only be done with shotguns with slugs. It had a higher population density than northern Minnesota, even if it was farmland. I don't think that they used their shotguns.

We also grew our own beef once or twice, but what we had that was amazing was our garden. It was not all that big the first year, but it grew every year. Eventually we bought almost no vegetables and ours were far superior to store bought.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah that's the drum the vegans beat all the time too.
But all our ancestors cooked meat over the fire all the time. I lived on venison pretty much for a lot of years. You can't get a healthier meat.
The real culprit is processed food.

Our ancestors didn't eat meat all the time. We've always ate more fruits, roots, vegetables, nuts and seeds than we have meat. And notice, it's that well done thing that is specifically a concern.
And it's not vegan drum. It's actual science. Well done and charred meats aren't good for us. Nor are smoked and cured meats.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why? Does everything depend on what someone on the internet says?

Just eat what you like and enjoy it.

It is not. It is dependent on what one can support with reliable resources. The internet is merely a tool that enables one to access that information.

And I agree that one should eat what one enjoys. But it is nice to know if what one is doing is healthy or if there are reasonable alternatives. I can understand that eating meat may raise one's chances of getting cancer, but they are never terribly clear on what those odds are. If it was a 90% chance that I would get cancer I would react. If it was less than 1% that I would get cancer I am going to ignore it. Just saying that it raises the odds does not tell me enough.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Our ancestors didn't eat meat all the time. We've always ate more fruits, roots, vegetables, nuts and seeds than we have meat. And notice, it's that well done thing that is specifically a concern.
And it's not vegan drum. It's actual science. Well done and charred meats aren't good for us. Nor are smoked and cured meats.

So you are saying that one should eat bacon from pigs that are still ill. Got it. I will put that on my list.