How do you eat steak?

[The Hammer]

It still bothers me that something dies needlessly to be eaten by me.

It's the main reason are brains have gotten to the point they are, according to all archaeological/anthropological evidence.

We wouldn't have society without meat eating at some point in our past. So I consider it a necessity. It's the only way to get heme in ones diet.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I have heard of a Judas Goat before but this is the first time that I have heard it applied to a steer, but it seems that they were used in the past too:

Judas goat - Wikipedia

That was the first shock of guilt that really had me cutting back on meat.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you are saying that one should eat bacon from pigs that are still ill. Got it. I will put that on my list.

I never claimed such a thing.
Please refrain from coming up with outlandish whackass claims about what I said that would be very out of character for me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I never claimed such a thing.
Please refrain from coming up with outlandish whackass claims about what I said that would be very out of character for me.

Hey! You were the one that brought up "cured meats" not me. I always thought that when one got over an illness one was cured

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's the main reason are brains have gotten to the point they are, according to all archaeological/anthropological evidence.

We wouldn't have society without meat eating at some point in our past. So I consider it a necessity. It's the only way to get heme in ones diet.

I am aware of the brain thing. But that doesn't mean something has to die for me to eat it.
And from conversations I've had at the blood center vegetarians don't really have a problem with rejection.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hey! You were the one that brought up "cured meats" not me. I always thought that when one got over an illness one was cured

(Please indicate sarcasm. I would have gotten a chuckle out of that had I realized, lol)

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am aware of the brain thing. But that doesn't mean something has to die for me to eat it.
And from conversations I've had at the blood center vegetarians don't really have a problem with rejection.

In the future the ethical problems may be resolved. Though rather terrible right now there is factory grown "meat". It is nowhere near being economical yet, but some day factory grown meat may be cheaper and even better than meat from an animal. There is also the problem of a growing population. Right now we are at a maximum of food animals. It is getting to the point where meat consumption will have to decrease as the population increases. Sooner or later Dr. Malthus does win.

 

[The Hammer]

I am aware of the brain thing. But that doesn't mean something has to die for me to eat it.
And from conversations I've had at the blood center vegetarians don't really have a problem with rejection.

Plants die, animals die, we die. Everything has an essence and life force.

I don't see a distinction in death.

Edit: I will add that as a society (America) we need to consume less meat in our daily lives. I add a vegetarian day once a week, typically. Haven't been able to do this in current circumstances lately though.

 

[Subduction Zone]

(Please indicate sarcasm. I would have gotten a chuckle out of that had I realized, lol)

I am sure that you would have. Sometimes I do not like to use smileys since they are a bit ham handed (how appropriate). So I take the risk of posting without. It can be hard to tell if a person is posting tongue in cheek at times. And I have a tough skin. I knew I was taking a risk and do not get mad if people do not get my sometimes infantile humor.

 

[The Hammer]

In the future the ethical problems may be resolved. Though rather terrible right now there is factory grown "meat". It is nowhere near being economical yet, but some day factory grown meat may be cheaper and even better than meat from an animal. There is also the problem of a growing population. Right now we are at a maximum of food animals. It is getting to the point where meat consumption will have to decrease as the population increases. Sooner or later Dr. Malthus does win.

Let's hope lab grown meat isn't cancer causing, like cured meats.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's hope lab grown meat isn't cancer causing, like cured meats.

With everything it is probably the amount that causes cancer. I know that cured meats raises the risks of getting cancer, but the articles never seem to be very clear. How often does one have to eat cured meat before it is a real concern? A 1% chance of getting cancer over one's lifetime of eating bacon every day does not seem to be a terrible risk if one eats if once a month.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Our ancestors didn't eat meat all the time. We've always ate more fruits, roots, vegetables, nuts and seeds than we have meat. And notice, it's that well done thing that is specifically a concern.
And it's not vegan drum. It's actual science. Well done and charred meats aren't good for us. Nor are smoked and cured meats.

I'd rather cook them well then to take chances with parasites.
Especially fish.
Yes we eat veggies too. But don't let anybody fool you, our ancestors ate lots of meat... The problem wasn't meat and fat, in the natives communities, it wasn't until processed food started coming in that they started having heart disease.

You watch the " alone" show?
The person who makes a big kill and has the most protein wins most every time.
It's extremely hard to get enough protein by gathering local plants.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am sure that you would have. Sometimes I do not like to use smileys since they are a bit ham handed (how appropriate). So I take the risk of posting without. It can be hard to tell if a person is posting tongue in cheek at times. And I have a tough skin. I knew I was taking a risk and do not get mad if people do not get my sometimes infantile humor.

I thought it was good, I just didn't get what you was doing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'd rather cook them well then to take chances with parasites.
Especially fish.
Yes we eat veggies too. But don't let anybody fool you, our ancestors ate lots of meat... The problem wasn't meat and fat, in the natives communities, it wasn't until processed food started coming in that they started having heart disease.

You watch the " alone" show?
The person who makes a big kill and has the most protein wins most every time.
It's extremely hard to get enough protein by gathering local plants.

Parasites are easier to manage and cure than cancer.
And our ancestors didn't eat a lot of meat.
Ancient leftovers show the real Paleo diet was a veggie feast | New Scientist
Human Ancestors Were Nearly All Vegetarians
Meat-Eating Among the Earliest Humans

The diet of our earliest ancestors, who lived about six million years ago in Africa, was probably much like that of chimpanzees, our closest living primate cousins, who generally inhabit forest and wet savanna environments in equatorial Africa. Chimpanzees mainly eat fruit and other plant parts such as leaves, flowers, and bark, along with nuts and insects. Meat from the occasional animal forms only about 3 percent of the average chimpanzee’s diet.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Parasites are easier to manage and cure than cancer.
And our ancestors didn't eat a lot of meat.
Ancient leftovers show the real Paleo diet was a veggie feast | New Scientist
Human Ancestors Were Nearly All Vegetarians
Meat-Eating Among the Earliest Humans

Whenever they start claiming to know what happened millions of years ago, I get more than a little sceptical.
I don't believe that evolution narrative anyway.

Many of our ancestors were highly skilled hunters and meat was widely eaten and highly prized. Many were farmers too, and ate beef or mutton.

Hunter-gatherers varied through out history considerably in terms of how much meat they consumed but none of them was vegan. Such diets simply wouldn’t have been available or viable options for them.

Ever since the garden of Eden we have eaten meat.
"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat."

Meat not bled out can go bad quickly. But if you bleed it, you can actually hang them for weeks if the temperature isn't above 40 or so.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Whenever they start claiming to know what happened millions of years ago, I get more than a little sceptical.
I don't believe that evolution narrative anyway.

Many of our ancestors were highly skilled hunters and meat was widely eaten and highly prized. Many were farmers too, and ate beef or mutton.

Hunter-gatherers varied through out history considerably in terms of how much meat they consumed but none of them was vegan. Such diets simply wouldn’t have been available or viable options for them.

Ever since the garden of Eden we have eaten meat.
"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat."

Meat not bled out can go bad quickly. But if you bleed it, you can actually hang them for weeks if the temperature isn't above 40 or so.

I'll just let that speak for itself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Okay, lunch was not meatless, I had bratwurst which is not cured meat. Though it still has nitrites. I balanced that out with what is essentially a five berry smoothie. A nice serving or two of homemade gazpacho.

 

[Secret Chief]

Whenever they start claiming to know what happened millions of years ago, I get more than a little sceptical.

..and then you go on to do exactly that?

Many of our ancestors were highly skilled hunters and meat was widely eaten and highly prized. Many were farmers too, and ate beef or mutton.

Hunter-gatherers varied through out history considerably in terms of how much meat they consumed but none of them was vegan.

 

[Wildswanderer]

..and then you go on to do exactly that?

What is " that"?
I'm not going back millions of years.
I'm not convinced we were around that long.

 

[Secret Chief]

I know that cured meats raises the risks of getting cancer, but the articles never seem to be very clear

"even small amounts eaten daily – 50 grams or 1 small hot dog – increases risk for colorectal cancer by 18% compared to eating none."

Bacon, Hot Dogs and Lunch Meat - Is it Processed Meat?