How do you know God is morally perfect and righteous?

[habiru]

Why do you base God's rules on books written by mankind? The way I see it God does not restrict His actions by rules. Intelligence rules the day.

Would you say evil is an intelligent thing? Would you say hate is an intelligent thing? When one chooses hate or evil, won't people just return it back to you? With that in mind, isn't love and kindness the best, most intelligent choice?

So many religions want to judge, hate and condemn others. Aren't these lower levels as well?

The way I see it is that it's all Math. If you choose anything but Unconditional Love, it's only because you lack the knowledge and intelligence to make the best choice.

What would the solution be?? The way I see it is that God who has high intelligence solves the problem by returning our actions and choices back to us so that we might understand what choices we are really making. In time, everyone learns what are the best choices. In addition, it would teach everyone to Love Unconditionally. After all, that is what everyone wants to return to them. Further, for those students who learn slow,God supplies an eternity of time along with an infinite number of lives in which to learn.

Would not these actions put God at a Higher Level than to hate,condemn, and fry children for making the wrong choices?

The way I see it is that since all holy books were written by mankind, they carry all the flaws in mankind which include, Blame, Hate,Greed,Judging,Condemning,Controlling,Coercing,Intimidating, Etc. that true intelligence will over come. If one really wants to be like God, doesn't one have to stop blindly following and reach for the Higher Levels and True Intelligence??

Finally, I see a point where one will reach a level of intelligence where rules and laws are not needed. After all, when one fully understands all sides, the bad choices are no longer a viable choice at all.

With all this in Mind, God never has to judge, hate, worry, condemn or even get upset. All God has to do is Teach. Further, by simply returning our actions back to us, we all will acquire Great wisdom. We get to keep the kids too!!

Well, we are not suppose to be judging no one. because we are all not perfect as it says. Only the One in Heaven is the only One that can Judge us. Until He says that we are worthless as a old fool, and or an dried up old tree that cannot produce fruit, then that means we are worthless.



Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Luke 13:6 Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. 7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’

8 “‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. 9 If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’”

Matthew 21:19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.

Isaiah 6:13 And though a tenth remains in the land, it will again be laid waste. But as the terebinth and oak leave stumps when they are cut down, so the holy seed will be the stump in the land.”

Isaiah 11:1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.


To call a brother a fool is to declare him to be worthless. If a man is but a fool, a blight on society, it would be better for all if he were dead. To conclude that one is worthless, then, is to come to the conclusion that the world would best be rid of him, which is but one short step from murder. Our Lord did not condemn the assessment of a person’s character, but the assassination of one’s character. 5. The Fool (Proverbs 26:1-11)

 

[Bird123]

Well, we are not suppose to be judging no one. because we are all not perfect as it says. Only the One in Heaven is the only One that can Judge us. Until He says that we are worthless as a old fool, and or an dried up old tree that cannot produce fruit, then that means we are worthless.



Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Luke 13:6 Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. 7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’

8 “‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. 9 If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’”

Matthew 21:19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.

Isaiah 6:13 And though a tenth remains in the land, it will again be laid waste. But as the terebinth and oak leave stumps when they are cut down, so the holy seed will be the stump in the land.”

Isaiah 11:1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.


To call a brother a fool is to declare him to be worthless. If a man is but a fool, a blight on society, it would be better for all if he were dead. To conclude that one is worthless, then, is to come to the conclusion that the world would best be rid of him, which is but one short step from murder. Our Lord did not condemn the assessment of a person’s character, but the assassination of one’s character. 5. The Fool (Proverbs 26:1-11)

Clearly, religion has corrupted your thinking. The way I see it: God does not see His children as worthless or flawed. We are all Wonderful Works of Art. Each is special in their own way. Each has a different level of knowledge and understanding. That is why God gave everyone a different view, to guaranty mankind a larger view than any one person could have. Diversity is part of the educational process.

Some religions tell people they are flawed from birth. They have to find something wrong with you so that you need them for the fix. The way I see it is that nothing is further from the truth. All God's children are on an educational path which in the end will bring everyone to the higher levels of Being, Thinking, Knowledge and Wisdom.

You might see another in this world learning lessons you have already learned but give them a chance. They are probably watching you learn lessons they have already learned. This is all part of the multilevel classroom called life.

Finally, the way I see it is that people focus only one this one physical lifetime. There is so much knowledge to acquire, one will need many lifetimes. People in their attempt to flee adversity dream of a place where they have it made for eternity, however eternity has purpose. One can only sit around having it made for so long before it's no longer heaven.

I must have Reality and Truth!! Stories and Beliefs are for entertainment purposes only

You have all my Love and Kindness!!

 

[zahra67]

God is eternal and omnipotent.
God created mankind and provided the way for there prosperity.
God does not need obedience of them.
he created them to attain bliss of paradise and his pleasure.
Except those on whom your Lord has mercy; and for this did He create them;this aya indicate that the goal of creation of mankind is recieving divine infinite mercy.

I am referring specifically to the Christian God or any other type of God who condemns you, punishes you, deems sexual activities and hedonism as sinful, and throws you into hell. Sure, God has done some good things for mankind such as having is son sacrificed, he does stay true to his word, and he is the all powerful creator of the universe according to religions such as Christianity.

But it does not follow from there that God has a sane and perfectly holy and righteous sense of morality. You can have an all powerful genius who has an insane and corrupt sense of morality (but does at least some good deeds in the process) or you can have an all powerful genius who has a perfect and righteous sense of morality. I suspect it is fear of God that leads believers to conclude God is somehow the latter.

They do not dare use their rational and skeptical thinking to question God's moral character. But I have. I personally view my moral standards as righteous and the moral standards of God to be insane and corrupt. I don't think it is right to judge a person's way of life as sinful if they are enjoying themselves and not harming/torturing other innocent people.

Many would say that God does not lie. But how do you know that for sure? What if he is a hypocrite? One of his commands is "Thou shalt not kill," but here he commands murder. So what if he demands moral perfection from us when he is the morally imperfect and corrupt one? He could be lying about his sense of morality being perfect and righteous when, in reality, it is my own sense of morality that is righteous.

I am a hedonist, but don't harm and torture others. I am a kind person and I would never throw someone in hell to be tortured forever. It does not matter even if their deeds deserved such a punishment, my respect and love for the person would prevent me from doing that. I would give them a harsh punishment, but I would never condemn them to eternal torture in hell. Even if I committed the ultimate act of love such as how Jesus was sacrificed, I would still not send anyone to hell even if they were people who rejected Jesus, did not accept him, and did not live a life of obedience to God.

It could be the situation that God knows that my hedonistic way of living is morally righteous since he is an all knowing God, but condemns it since it does not adhere to his personal moral standards. How do you truly know that God is morally righteous and is truly all loving and all just?

 

[Milton Platt]

God does not tell people 'thou shalt kill' or 'thou shalt commit sexual abuse' or 'thou shalt war against upright people'.

God doesn't instruct us to do anything evil. All evil proceeds from our own actions/inactions and our own choices.

Man is a free agent to make the choice between good and evil.

God sends His Messengers to guide us but it is up to us to follow the good path or the evil path.

God teaches only good. It is us who choose evil ways.

The Bible portrays your god as doing each of those things.

 

[psychoslice]

I know god isn't because the bible tells me so.

 

[Milton Platt]

I know god isn't because the bible tells me so.

Ding ding ding!!!! We have a winner!!!

 

[loverofhumanity]

The Bible portrays your god as doing each of those things.

The fact God spares this ungodly world which us far worse than then, with its world wars and immorality shows a completely differing picture of a patient God.

All the Prophets such as Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah since have clearly stated that God loves us and always does what is best for us.

Such stories which are dated thousands of years ago can not be verified or substantiated. God could have destroyed the Quraysh or Hitler or Herod but didn't which to me shows those stories as inaccurate.

“Should God punish men for their perverse doings, He would not leave on earth a moving thing!"

And we are all still here in our billions, despite our immorality and godlessness and God is not going to destroy us or kill us.

Excerpt From: Bahá’u’lláh. “The Seven Valleys, The Four Valleys.”

 

[Milton Platt]

The fact God spares this ungodly world which us far worse than then, with its world wars and immorality shows a completely differing picture of a patient God.

All the Prophets such as Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah since have clearly stated that God loves us and always does what is best for us.

Such stories which are dated thousands of years ago can not be verified or substantiated. God could have destroyed the Quraysh or Hitler or Herod but didn't which to me shows those stories as inaccurate.

“Should God punish men for their perverse doings, He would not leave on earth a moving thing!"

And we are all still here in our billions, despite our immorality and godlessness and God is not going to destroy us or kill us.

Excerpt From: Bahá’u’lláh. “The Seven Valleys, The Four Valleys.”

So you are coming at it from a different book, then. Okay....
Well, not being familiar with that particular book, let me ask you some questions.
why are you listing Jesus as a prophet when he is from an "unverifiable book"?
How do you validate your own book as truthful?

 

[loverofhumanity]

So you are coming at it from a different book, then. Okay....
Well, not being familiar with that particular book, let me ask you some questions.
why are you listing Jesus as a prophet when he is from an "unverifiable book"?
How do you validate your own book as truthful?

Firstly. We believe that the Bible is the Word of God as is the Quran etc. but stories like Adam and Eve, Noah and the Flood and the Red Sea Crossing we do not believe to be historical events only figurative.

Many of the stories in the Bible are not to be taken literally. For instance we don't believe the story of Adam and Eve actually took place so it is not an historically verifiable event.

All the Prophets such as Muhammad, the Bab and recently Baha'u'llah confirmed Christ was of God.

How do I know my beliefs are true and how do I validate them? Apart from spiritually recognising the truth, it all makes so much sense and fits together so perfectly without any contradiction.

So all the religions and prophets are true and all sit on the same throne and all come from the same God.

I don't know if this helps but please ask more if you feel I'm not clear enough.

 

[Milton Platt]

Firstly. We believe that the Bible is the Word of God as is the Quran etc. but stories like Adam and Eve, Noah and the Flood and the Red Sea Crossing we do not believe to be historical events only figurative.

Many of the stories in the Bible are not to be taken literally. For instance we don't believe the story of Adam and Eve actually took place so it is not an historically verifiable event.

All the Prophets such as Muhammad, the Bab and recently Baha'u'llah confirmed Christ was of God.

How do I know my beliefs are true and how do I validate them? Apart from spiritually recognising the truth, it all makes so much sense and fits together so perfectly without any contradiction.

So all the religions and prophets are true and all sit on the same throne and all come from the same God.

I don't know if this helps but please ask more if you feel I'm not clear enough.

Thanks for the explanation. I do take issue with some of what you said, but since we are drifting away from the question in the OP, I will leave those questions unasked.