Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
It was not meant in a negative way. But I have my self experienced a few who tried to convert me to their belief.
But maybe that is normal. If I said something that is clearly wrong I do apologize for that
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How do you "know" that others are wrong and you are right?
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But maybe that is normal. If I said something that is clearly wrong I do apologize for that
stvdv
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That is the answer, for both. If religious person imposes unasked, as well as if non-religious person reacts upon the one who imposed stuff on him
Obviously, it's hard for some, to just leave the discussion. That has to do with predisposition. Old habits (learnt young) die hard
stvdv
Veteran Member
And karma is very complex. If something happened to me in my youth, and I was not able to transform this, I might act it out on an innocent person. But probably this so called "innocent" person "had it coming", because he created this particular karma in the past. Seeing it this way, makes it for me at least easier to digest certain reactions/responses.I know some of the negativity arise from karma yes
In the week or so since I come back to RF I noticed even more negativity then before I left.
And often (not always) the discussion derail because a non believer start asking questions that is non related to the OP, where it is very clear that their mission is to debunk any form of personal spiritual belief.
How do this people know they are correct when they can not prove the spiritual experience that others have is real?
What is the purpose of slandering a religion you do not follow your self? Yes I know you do not believe, burn the religious people do. And guess what, the religion is for the religious people to follow not the non religious.
And yes I know some religious people try to hard to convert you. But you can say No thank you. I do not believe, and just leave the discussion
How hard can it be?
I do not 'KNOW.'
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
You understand karma in a very similar way to how I do too
You understand karma in a very similar way to how I do too
KARM. Know your Center, be Aware, Relax, and Move. If continue trying you get an A for effort, and back to begin again.
Slippery slope there. I don't feel you can ever excuse yourself based on the idea that it's another's karma. It's also that kids 'karma' for you to just walk over and be nice, thus ending that particular round or trail of karma.
People excuse themselves from charity with this excuse. "It's that guy's karma to be poor." I say , No, it's his karma that you helped him."
Not sure if this is how you intended your comment, but certainly that's one way to interpret it.
I am new to these Forums, but the discussion reminds me of a conversation I had long ago, with someone who wanted to convert me.
He wasn't rude at all; he was very persistent, and I could tell his actions sprung from a place of genuine concern, not necessarily fanaticism. While neither one of us changed the other's religious beliefs, the conversation grew to our feelings on the world, society, etc, and we found we had a lot of shared beliefs. I remember him ending the discussion with "we're more alike than I thought we'd be".
We never had the opportunity to talk again, but if we, regardless of what our intent was, came across with respect and care like that fellow, things could be so much more pleasant for all involved.
He wasn't rude at all; he was very persistent, and I could tell his actions sprung from a place of genuine concern, not necessarily fanaticism. While neither one of us changed the other's religious beliefs, the conversation grew to our feelings on the world, society, etc, and we found we had a lot of shared beliefs. I remember him ending the discussion with "we're more alike than I thought we'd be".
We never had the opportunity to talk again, but if we, regardless of what our intent was, came across with respect and care like that fellow, things could be so much more pleasant for all involved.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
I know I'm right and other people know they're right even though we know different thingsIn the week or so since I come back to RF I noticed even more negativity then before I left.
And often (not always) the discussion derail because a non believer start asking questions that is non related to the OP, where it is very clear that their mission is to debunk any form of personal spiritual belief.
How do this people know they are correct when they can not prove the spiritual experience that others have is real?
What is the purpose of slandering a religion you do not follow your self? Yes I know you do not believe, burn the religious people do. And guess what, the religion is for the religious people to follow not the non religious.
And yes I know some religious people try to hard to convert you. But you can say No thank you. I do not believe, and just leave the discussion
How hard can it be?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Sound to me like we all have our own understanding of the truth, so sometimes we are right and sometimes we get it wrong
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I only take issue with fundies of religion because they have non believers burning in hell for all eternity. All other religions that don't condemn me, and are not corrupt I don't have a problem with.
I get bored with debating science vs. religion. It gets nowhere. Discussion is far superior to debate hands down.
They need discussion forums where non believers can inform themselves better about the different Faith's and religions.
I think I have seen every debate point on science vs. religion. This RF is a wonderful format and easy to use, but the debate style stuff only for non believers is only confrontational.
I'd rather RF had a section where non believers can discuss but not necessarily debate religion. Discussion that doesn't prohibit debate but is for the purposes of discussion.
I get bored with debating science vs. religion. It gets nowhere. Discussion is far superior to debate hands down.
They need discussion forums where non believers can inform themselves better about the different Faith's and religions.
I think I have seen every debate point on science vs. religion. This RF is a wonderful format and easy to use, but the debate style stuff only for non believers is only confrontational.
I'd rather RF had a section where non believers can discuss but not necessarily debate religion. Discussion that doesn't prohibit debate but is for the purposes of discussion.
when I started my spiritual dialogue years ago, it was mostly atheist that were practical about it. They asked questions, like doubting Thomases, it made me think. It held me accountable for my claims. I appreciated that and en lieu gained their respect.In the week or so since I come back to RF I noticed even more negativity then before I left.
And often (not always) the discussion derail because a non believer start asking questions that is non related to the OP, where it is very clear that their mission is to debunk any form of personal spiritual belief.
How do this people know they are correct when they can not prove the spiritual experience that others have is real?
What is the purpose of slandering a religion you do not follow your self? Yes I know you do not believe, burn the religious people do. And guess what, the religion is for the religious people to follow not the non religious.
And yes I know some religious people try to hard to convert you. But you can say No thank you. I do not believe, and just leave the discussion
How hard can it be?
If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished? —Rumi
When life hands you lemons, make lemonade.
Faith without application is useless.
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For me it has come to a point where I no longer see a reason to post more here in RF, so this might be my last OP. But time will tell
I have nothing against atheists and their lack of belief, but do not understand why they so desperately try to tear down the belief of religious/spiritual people. And even tell people they are wrong when someone have had a spiritual experience.
You really need to listen to yourself.
By suggesting atheists have 'a desperate need to try to tear down the belief of religious/spiritual people' you are part of the problem.
Over-generalisation and demonization of groups... particularly where they lack structure and coherent dogma (theist...atheist...heck, even BLM...) makes very little sense.
Not to mention that a key source of negativity is to continue posting the same basic OP without variance despite the variety of answers and responses you've received.
To reiterate my basic point...I'm an atheist and have no interest in tearing down belief.
I do have an interest in lands being governed in a secular manner, to the benefit of all.
stvdv
Veteran Member
But I won't consciously/knowingly, but I might subconsciously/unaware/unknowingly (that's why it's called subconsciously
)That is a fact IF you believe in the Law of Karma
Hence I excuse others, but never myself, when it comes to harming others.
I never excuse myself this way, I only excuse others when they do (meaning I understand why they do certain not so nice things)
It never has even been in my mind for 56 years to excuse myself for this reason, hence I used the word "might", indicating that the "I message I gave" does not apply to me, but makes it easier for me to digest when others do things I disapprove of.
Oh - I have magical powers that give me special insight. That's how I know I'm right.
Edit: in all seriousness, if you want others to give you the benefit of the doubt that you know what you're talking about, maybe give others the same benefit of the doubt in turn. Maybe these non-believers are seeing something you don't.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
Do you love the forum and its people? It seems you have heart for all of us. Thank you.
If you don't have a problem with them giving an answer that they see as right, why would you have a problem with their answer that they see as being right about you being wrong. It's the same thing. If what they believe to be right is in opposition to what you believe, that would make you wrong according to their belief.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
For those religious believers who really BELIEVE that there is a hell they BELIEVE they are rescuing you from hell, so from their perceptive it is an act of kindness and compassion. This is not coming from them, so it is not ego. It is coming from what they BELIEVE is an accurate interpretation of their scriptures.
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
For me it has come to a point where I no longer see a reason to post more here in RF, so this might be my last OP. But time will tell
I have nothing against atheists and their lack of belief, but do not understand why they so desperately try to tear down the belief of religious/spiritual people. And even tell people they are wrong when someone have had a spiritual experience.
They tear you down because they are intolerant, and write a check they're butt cant cash. And I do say knowledge is a religious thing. Aswell, if faith in life is hope, is it true that atheism is God murder? But, really they need to do the science for their own existence, and know very little.
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It is about ego if they have never considered that they could be wrong.
I hate to say this, but this is a predominantly Christian stance.
They have a right to believe ONLY they are right as long as they do not inflict that belief upon others.
It they come into my my territory with that belief you had better believe I will tell them what I think.