How do you know you are right?

[loverofhumanity]

On Being Certain: Believing You Are Right Even When You're Not - Robert A. Burton

Thank you very, very much for that!.

 

[Sonny]

The only problem with that is a considerable amount of eisegesis is required to read the Bible as making even one of those predictions. Do you know what confirmation bias is?

That's not true. The Bible clearly states these things will happen- things no one could have seen coming, even. And, I base my statements on the fact that so many prophecies have already come true 'as predicted' (see, link below). Others can clearly be seen coming. It has nothing to do with twisting the evidence to fit a preconceived idea or desire (confirmation bias). The evidence already exists so I had nothing to do with it. The prophecies have come true. Again, I had nothing to do with it. If one is going to speak as you just did then the ball is in your court to show that 1. the prophecy wasn't taught, 2. the prophecy did not come true at all and 3. the prophecy and the outcome are not connected. Yet, you didn't. Talk about confirmation bias. Look in the mirror when you say those words.

Reasons To Believe : Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible

If you can disprove these or show they didn't occur then you won't have otherwise, you have it in reverse (is that possible?).

 

[Guy Threepwood]

In this forum many views are exchanged. We all have our beliefs and understandings. But how do we know we are right? What is it that 'tells us within" that we can't be wrong and can that inner voice be trusted? Can it be wrong?

How do you know your belief, your understanding, your interpretation of your scriptures is right or truer than someone else's?

Is that inner voice within always right or should we question ourselves more?

If we all set out on a search for truth and we all found it, then wouldn't we be united? For truth is one isn't it and no one truth can contradict another truth? So if we all found truth we would be united wouldn't we? Then if we are divided some of us or many of us haven't found truth?

Can we be detached enough from our own views, our own beliefs, traditions and opinions to be open minded or are we stubborn and closed minded?

“No man shall attain the shores of the ocean of true understanding except he be detached from all that is in heaven and on earth” - Baha'u'llah

“The fact that we imagine ourselves to be right and everybody else wrong is the greatest of all obstacles in the path towards unity, and unity is necessary if we would reach truth, for truth is one.” - Abdul-Baha

Some of the issues people won't budge on may very well have a different explanation than the view commonly held. Was Muhammad really the Last Prophet? Did Jesus really bodily rise from the dead?
Did the Buddha hint at a God? Did Moses really part the Red Sea? Does Satan really exist? Is Baha'u'llah the Promised One? Was there really a Great Flood? (Noah)

You may like to add other topics.

Good question, and I'd say that this is exactly why the concept of faith is so important

As long as we all acknowledge our beliefs as such, our faith is not blind, we are able to question it.

When personal faith is denied, and absolute truth is derived from institutionalized consensus, and people of any other belief become 'deniers of truth'- that's where the problems always begin.

 

[Nakosis]

Thank you very, very much for that!.

I think that's why we developed the methods of science. We can't trust the feeling of certainty. But it is hard to discipline yourself to distrust your own feeling of certainty.

Funny thing is, because of my job, lots of other people depend on my certainty. My certainty becomes their certainty. Kind of amazes me how willing folks are to trust someone else's certainty. Honestly I do my best to validate what I say to others wrt my job, but I could lie my backside off and it'd be "gospel" to a lot of folks. They wouldn't know because they depend on me for their certainty.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

1. Nice thread @loverofhumanity .
2. Sorry, but the title begs the obvious answer....

It's me!

....but more seriously....
3. As an agnostic of multiple decades, I can tell you......There is either doubt, or circular reasoning.

​

 

[loverofhumanity]

1. Nice thread @loverofhumanity .
2. Sorry, but the title begs the obvious answer....

It's me!

....but more seriously....
3. As an agnostic of multiple decades, I can tell you......There is either doubt, or circular reasoning.

​

I agree fully with you that everything you believe is right is right for you.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I think that's why we developed the methods of science. We can't trust the feeling of certainty. But it is hard to discipline yourself to distrust your own feeling of certainty.

Funny thing is, because of my job, lots of other people depend on my certainty. My certainty becomes their certainty. Kind of amazes me how willing folks are to trust someone else's certainty. Honestly I do my best to validate what I say to others wrt my job, but I could lie my backside off and it'd be "gospel" to a lot of folks. They wouldn't know because they depend on me for their certainty.

You're in a position of trust. You must feel the pressure sometimes of others following your certainty.

 

[JustWondering]

In this forum many views are exchanged. We all have our beliefs and understandings. But how do we know we are right? What is it that 'tells us within" that we can't be wrong and can that inner voice be trusted? Can it be wrong?

How do you know your belief, your understanding, your interpretation of your scriptures is right or truer than someone else's?

Is that inner voice within always right or should we question ourselves more?

If we all set out on a search for truth and we all found it, then wouldn't we be united? For truth is one isn't it and no one truth can contradict another truth? So if we all found truth we would be united wouldn't we? Then if we are divided some of us or many of us haven't found truth?

Can we be detached enough from our own views, our own beliefs, traditions and opinions to be open minded or are we stubborn and closed minded?

“No man shall attain the shores of the ocean of true understanding except he be detached from all that is in heaven and on earth” - Baha'u'llah

“The fact that we imagine ourselves to be right and everybody else wrong is the greatest of all obstacles in the path towards unity, and unity is necessary if we would reach truth, for truth is one.” - Abdul-Baha

Some of the issues people won't budge on may very well have a different explanation than the view commonly held. Was Muhammad really the Last Prophet? Did Jesus really bodily rise from the dead?
Did the Buddha hint at a God? Did Moses really part the Red Sea? Does Satan really exist? Is Baha'u'llah the Promised One? Was there really a Great Flood? (Noah)

You may like to add other topics.

I have no scriptures to follow. I've never heard or seen anything in my life to make me believe the supernatural (spirits, souls, gods, miracles, etc...) exist. Faith based belief systems are taught/inherited and not based on evidence or reason but tradition and ignorance. I am right to disbelieve because after decades of looking I have never seen one piece of evidence to support a worldview that includes the supernatural.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

That's not true. The Bible clearly states these things will happen- things no one could have seen coming, even. And, I base my statements on the fact that so many prophecies have already come true 'as predicted' (see, link below). Others can clearly be seen coming. It has nothing to do with twisting the evidence to fit a preconceived idea or desire (confirmation bias). The evidence already exists so I had nothing to do with it. The prophecies have come true. Again, I had nothing to do with it. If one is going to speak as you just did then the ball is in your court to show that 1. the prophecy wasn't taught, 2. the prophecy did not come true at all and 3. the prophecy and the outcome are not connected. Yet, you didn't. Talk about confirmation bias. Look in the mirror when you say those words.

Reasons To Believe : Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible

If you can disprove these or show they didn't occur then you won't have otherwise, you have it in reverse (is that possible?).

LOL at your source.

None of those referenced verses make the claimed 'prophecies', again, without liberal amounts of eisegesis and creative interpretation.

Show me just one, full verse in context, that reliably predicts anything that isn't simply another Bible verse, and I will revoke my position. You'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath?

 

[loverofhumanity]

LOL at your source.

None of those referenced verses make the claimed 'prophecies', again, without liberal amounts of eisegesis and creative interpretation.

Show me just one, full verse in context, that reliably predicts anything that isn't simply another Bible verse, and I will revoke my position. You'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath?

Hey Satans Edge. I'm loving your icon while listening to your cool music on my iPad. Did you create that music yourself? Do you sell your stuff?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Hey Satans Edge. I'm loving your icon while listening to your cool music on my iPad. Did you create that music yourself? Do you sell your stuff?

Yes, and no.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Yes, and no.

Enjoyed listening!

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Enjoyed listening!

Thanks. That stuff is pretty old, none of my newer stuff is published anywhere. It's just fun for me to create stuff