Everyone can not be kept happy in relation to each other.
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How do you reconcile the problem of evil?
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Koldo
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Koldo
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Why not?
Of course not. I was referring to the relation that they have to each other.
Cause your pleasure is someone elses pain.
Koldo
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How does this relation serve to establish that one must experience pain to be able to experience pleasure?
Koldo
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Why does this have to be the case?
Koldo
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Does a thing cease to exist if a word is no longer used to label it?
It in no way ceases to exist for not being labeled.
My arguments are never about denying existence.
There is always a flow of positive and negative energy. There is a balance between these opposites so that when change occurs it doesn't really change the whole but some pockets see an increase of positive energy while other pockets see the increase of negative energy. Peace should be achieved which is a balance not leaning towards one extreme over another. Pleasure and pain are both extremes to be avoided since one causes the other.
Koldo
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Koldo
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Even if this happens to be the case, why must it be the case?
Let me put it this way: Explaining how things currently work does not serve as a justification as to why they must work in this particular way.
I'm assuming the same in every universe scenario, if there is some other way for energy to remain in stable existence I wouldn't know it.
You experience something, and in your experience and wisdom you call that phenomenon pain to describe it, but how did you come to distinguish pain from the rest of the world? For most people, the word denotes a condition that contrasts with others--pleasure, comfort, health, wellness--things "not pain." We know a condition not by what it is, but by all the conditions it's not.
Koldo
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You assume too much.
Koldo
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And what does this have to do with the point Idav was making?
He said pain and pleasure are tied to the extent that we need to be able to experience pain to experience pleasure. It was not about whether we can recognize pleasure in the abscense of pain.
It is no assumption that most universe scenarios can't even make passed the first few seconds.
Koldo
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Are you talking about actual universes?
Because we are also talking about universes that could be willed into existence by God.
Sure but God would have to "will" a universe into existence that can actually sustain itself. If it were a random universe popping into existence we have the same issue, it has to be stable enough to get passed the first few second, few years, few thousand years etc.