Desert Snake
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No, I'm not going to defend, intellectually, every revealed religion. Why would I, if I don't believe the religion.
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I've no reason to trust the prophets of revealed religions any more then anyone else. Although I believe they believed they actually were Prophets of God, that doesn't however mean they were.
A lot of people feel themselves to be prophets of God, are you going to believe them all? Defend them all? Some person revealed this message of God. Why trust any one over another?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I believe we are born ignorant......a clean slate.
The knowledge of good and evil....is acquisition....then we die.
It would seem simple enough deciding what is a good thing and what is not.
but the world around us is in chaos.
Seems then to say my fellow man really can't....'see'.
We all have truths....are mine the same as yours?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
That sounds good to me.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes you have been doing very well.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Never having been a big fan of revelation I am steadfastly against defending something simply because it claims divine origin. Just out of curiosity would you extend this defense to include the Bahai faith and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? (That would be more than a little weird - for a Muslim, at least.)
What? Supporting us against the irrational and mythical thoughts of your revealed religions? Thanks for the thought, but we don't really need much support. We have these nasty things like facts and reality on our side.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Never having been a big fan of revelation I am steadfastly against defending something simply because it claims divine origin. Just out of curiosity would you extend this defense to include the Bahai faith and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? (That would be more than a little weird - for a Muslim, at least.)
Why so? Please
- Never having been a big fan of revelation.
Reason behind? Please
- I am steadfastly against defending something simply because it claims divine origin.
To the extent they stick to rational arguments and reasons, like I would defend Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism if somebody does a wrong to them. I am not against anybody and I hate none. Every human must be respected and defended on merit of truth. I just give my arguments and compare my notes with others with any malignment.
- Would you extend this defence to include the Bahai faith and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
They are not covered under my concept of revelation though.
Not with me.
- That would be more than a little weird - for a Muslim, at least
What? Supporting us against the irrational and mythical thoughts of your revealed religions? Thanks for the thought, but we don't really need much support. We have these nasty things like facts and reality on our side.
I see no harm in it, one has to side with the truth if one follows the Truthful Religion.
- What?Supporting us against the irrational and mythical thoughts of your revealed religions?
That won't be much if they are not rational.
- Thanks for the thought, but we don't really need much support.
It is OK if you have them. Please keep on presenting them with proofs and evidences, if you have any. It always pleases me.
- We have these nasty things like facts and reality on our side
Regards
- Never having been a big fan of revelation.
- I am steadfastly against defending something simply because it claims divine origin.
- Would you extend this defence to include the Bahai faith and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
They are not covered under my concept of revelation though.
- That would be more than a little weird - for a Muslim, at least
What? Supporting us against the irrational and mythical thoughts of your revealed religions? Thanks for the thought, but we don't really need much support. We have these nasty things like facts and reality on our side.
- What?Supporting us against the irrational and mythical thoughts of your revealed religions?
- Thanks for the thought, but we don't really need much support.
- We have these nasty things like facts and reality on our side
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
G-d did converse with Muhammad and He himself named His message as Quran, that is al-right.
Quran does not literally mention where this started
It is not a myth, it was revealed by G-d on Muhammad truly. The revelation of Quran got completed in 23 years.
Regards
raph
Member
The Bahai religion is basically that, so I am in. We see spiritual truth in all religions, and we are against irrational/fanatic religion.
Human history is full of myths. From the Greek pantheon to the exploits of Brahma to the resurrection of Jesus, there is no end to implausible old stories. We both know this.
Why would I believe that this implausible old story is different from the rest? I realize that you do, that isn't my question. Why should I believe this, when it is indistinguishable from all the other myths?
Tom
paarsurrey
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paarsurrey
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe this involves conflict resolution and I am not familiar with the process.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I don't believe there will be agreement on what is truthful or useful or fruitful.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Do you believe in Pantheon?
To how many peoples in different regions of the world and different times has Pantheon communicated with righteous people?
Is converse of Pantheon, in the original language secured in a the book form and or in the memory of the people without a slightest change reached us?
Just to know the truth.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
It is not impossible. Human race is intelligent and peaceful, let us be positive.
Regards
I believe it (it is a group of deities, not an individual) exists as fiction, a product of the human mind. The same way I believe in Allah.
Tom