How Do You Think The Whole Trump Fiasco Will Turn Out?

[Quetzal]

Well, to start with, I can hardly be called a "vocal Trump supporter!"

I didn't mean you.

 

[Quetzal]

I’m pretty sure @Quetzal was talking about Shad or eSmith or Salvador.

Actually I think the three of them may be just one guy, logging on and spouting the same stuff with three different names.

I was, thank you for the assist. I was not clear.

 

[Revoltingest]

I’m pretty sure @Quetzal was talking about Shad or eSmith or Salvador.

Actually I think the three of them may be just one guy, logging on and spouting the same stuff with three different names.

They have very different personalities, backgrounds & posting styles.
I don't believe that a single person could create such different posters.
Of course, everyone knows that you & @Quetzal are the same person.

 

[Quetzal]

They have very different personalities, backgrounds & posting styles.
I don't believe that a single person could create such different posters.
Of course, everyone knows that you & @Quetzal are the same person.

Crap. I knew I would be found out, just not this soon!

 

[We Never Know]

Umm. . . Pelosi is more than willing to reopen the government. You do realize that the Reps and Trump could open the government tomorrow if they wanted to, as all the Dems are ready to reopen the government. If this was up to Pelosi our government would be funded right now.

It's about getting what they want. Its was first about party's then Trump and Pelosi took it to a personal level.
Trump to Pelosi, you can't use that plane.
Pelosi to Trump, you can't give the SOTU in the house.

 

[youknowme]

It's about getting what they want. Its was first about party's then Trump and Pelosi took it to a personal level.
Trump to Pelosi, you can't use that plane.
Pelosi to Trump, you can't give the SOTU in the house.

I don't think you understand how Congress works.

 

[We Never Know]

I don't think you understand how Congress works.

Congress works? When did that start?

 

[Thief]

I believe it will eventually dawn on the House Democrats that Trump's ego will never permit him to compromise on shutting down the government---He's incapable of admitting he put himself in a corner

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---and because he's incapable of rustling up any empathy for anyone but himself, including the poor government employees he's put out of work, it will be up to the House to save their homes and put bread on their tables, and will therefore capitulate and give him his money.



That's what I think will happen.

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and then foreign flags will fly on the neighbors flag pole.....

you think it's about money?
well......we ARE an economically based country

poor workers?
like the American losing his job to cheap immigration labor?

I have seen these people cuffed and led out of the building
a dozen at a time
too stupid to NOT use the same false social security number when applying for work

 

[Thief]

Was I supposed to write one too?
Dang!
I'll just steal one....

@james blunt

 

[youknowme]

Congress works? When did that start?

Today when Trump buckled to the pressure.

 

[fantome profane]

and then foreign flags will fly on the neighbors flag pole.....

And down the block Confederate flags, and Nazi flags. But that is the price for freedom.

 

[Thief]

And down the block Confederate flags, and Nazi flags. But that is the price for freedom.

shall we burn flags?
starting with ......?

 

[fantome profane]

shall we burn flags?
starting with ......?

If you want to, go ahead.

 

[columbus]

I have seen these people cuffed and led out of the building
a dozen at a time
too stupid to NOT use the same false social security number when applying for work

I am curious. Did the employers get any sanctions?
Around here, the mere rumors that the Feds might show up shut down a couple big factories completely. The plants simply didn't have enough legal employees to even open. All kinds of muckety mucks were all over the radio and internet and stuff insisting that anybody with employment was welcome in the community and there would be no such raids.

Doesn't that make us a sanctuary city? And it's here in the heartland of Trumpistan.
Tom

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And for the record, I think that's a good thing. Again, as a Canadian, my Prime Minister has a majority government, and that gives him much greater power over both the legislative and the executive functions of government than a US President could ever have. (You may take that as a small point of envy, if you will.)

The Canadian system just has different checks than the American system. Yes, the Prime Minister has more power than an American president, but a PM can also be removed from their position at will by the House of Commons or, potentially, by the Governor General.

 

[Thief]

I am curious. Did the employers get any sanctions?
Around here, the mere rumors that the Feds might show up shut down a couple big factories completely. The plants simply didn't have enough legal employees to even open. All kinds of muckety mucks were all over the radio and internet and stuff insisting that anybody with employment was welcome in the community and there would be no such raids.

Doesn't that make us a sanctuary city? And it's here in the heartland of Trumpistan.
Tom

I live right in the middle of a major state
too far north to say the illegals just.....'happened'

yeah they got cuffed like a centipede

BUT..... I heard NO word of them after that
and NO word of management being dealt with

the word I got.....all of the illegals hired on under the same social security number

and no one in the office saw that?????????

seems to me....holding the CEO in contempt (of something) should have happened

and of course.....who foots the bill to send the 'bad people' back to Mexico?

 

[Thief]

I also heard of a rented house....where many of them hold up
they all share the monthly payment

but the house is trashed

 

[columbus]

seems to me....holding the CEO in contempt (of something) should have happened

But it probably didn't.

That's my big problem with USA immigration policy. The real problem isn't drug dealers or government entitlements fraud. It's the damages done to entry level workers being replaced by cheap, unvetted and unregistered, foreign labor.

But those people are hugely profitable to the investing class. Undocumented workers both keep labor costs down and retail consumption up. It's a win win for the investing class. It's also a lose lose for blue collar folks. But the investing class can buy Senators and the blue collar folks can't even organize a union.
Tom

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The Canadian system just has different checks than the American system. Yes, the Prime Minister has more power than an American president, but a PM can also be removed from their position at will by the House of Commons or, potentially, by the Governor General.

While those are essentially "true," they are also excessively unlikely. As I was careful to say, a Canadian PM with a majority government is unlikely to lose a confidence vote in the house, for the simple reason that the majority of members in that house owe their positions and perks to him.

And the Governor General, who acts primarily on "the advice of the head of government," but who also retains the right to advise, counsel and warn, would almost never interfere with a majority government in such a way.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

While those are essentially "true," they are also excessively unlikely. As I was careful to say, a Canadian PM with a majority government is unlikely to lose a confidence vote in the house, for the simple reason that the majority of members in that house owe their positions and perks to him.

You said that we currently have a majority government. I was talking about the Canadian system overall, not just the current Parliament.

Over the last 20 years, we've had a minority government for 7 of them, so it's not exactly a rare thing.

And the Governor General, who acts primarily on "the advice of the head of government," but who also retains the right to advise, counsel and warn, would almost never interfere with a majority government in such a way.

It would be rare, certainly... and GGs are reluctant to interfere with the government to that degree, but it does happen very occasionally.

And the fact that the GG has the power to appoint a new PM probably helps to deter PMs from doing things that would get them removed, so the power doesn't have to be actually used to have an impact as a check on behaviour.