How Does a Jew Attain Salvation?

[metis]

Its not such a ritual..you go down in water in Jesus name and get the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and just live Holy and continue do what you know is right..but the bible makes it plain that yea that "ritual" is how you get save mark 16:16 John 3:5 Acts 2:38

But that is a ritual up until the "and just live Holy and continue do what you know is right", which is now an action that must be undertaken that goes beyond being a mere ritual. A ritual without a dedication to commit one's self is meaningless, such as what is covered in Matthew 25 with the Parable of the Sheep & Goats and also Jesus' Sermon On the Mount. Jesus did not endorse "rocking-chair religion" whereas one only had to sit back and have politically-correct beliefs.

"Agape" is an action noun in Koine Greek, so one does not have agape-- they live it.

 

[Isaiah Torres]

But that is a ritual up until the "and just live Holy and continue do what you know is right", which is now an action that must be undertaken that goes beyond being a mere ritual. A ritual without a dedication to commit one's self is meaningless, such as what is covered in Matthew 25 with the Parable of the Sheep & Goats and also Jesus' Sermon On the Mount. Jesus did not endorse "rocking-chair religion" whereas one only had to sit back and have politically-correct beliefs.

"Agape" is an action noun in Koine Greek, so one does not have agape-- they live it.

No Jesus said you must be born of the water and spirit and you get that by getting baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and recievibg the Holy Ghost accroding to Acts 2:38 thats bible did the bible tell a lie?

 

[metis]

No Jesus said you must be born of the water and spirit and you get that by getting baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and recievibg the Holy Ghost accroding to Acts 2:38 thats bible did the bible tell a lie?

If one looks just at a verse or even a short stack of verses without putting them into the larger context, they're quite apt to make errors. Jesus repeatedly calls for action and not just belief. Read Matthew 25 and the Sermon On the Mount again and keep an open mind about what you are reading, asking what is Jesus telling you. And then read what James says about belief without actions and what Paul says is the greater between "faith, hope, and love ["agape"]".

I'm afraid you've slipped into rocking-chair religion, and that is very dangerous from a "salvation" perspective.

 

[Akivah]

Salvation - a way to escape from a fictitious destination by recognizing a fictitious deity.

 

[Isaiah Torres]

If one looks just at a verse or even a short stack of verses without putting them into the larger context, they're quite apt to make errors. Jesus repeatedly calls for action and not just belief. Read Matthew 25 and the Sermon On the Mount again and keep an open mind about what you are reading, asking what is Jesus telling you. And then read what James says about belief without actions and what Paul says is the greater between "faith, hope, and love ["agape"]".

I'm afraid you've slipped into rocking-chair religion, and that is very dangerous from a "salvation" perspective.

No im in True religion you have to believe you have to do action to being baptized and recieveing the Holy Ghost and continuing steadfastly in the apostles doctin are actions right?

 

[metis]

No im in True religion you have to believe you have to do action to being baptized and recieveing the Holy Ghost and continuing steadfastly in the apostles doctin are actions right?

Gee, how many times have we seen people here claim to know what the "True religion" is-- and of course it's always theirs.

I can't make heads nor tails of the ending of what you wrote above, so maybe you can clarify that.

 

[Isaiah Torres]

Gee, how many times have we seen people here claim to know what the "True religion" is-- and of course it's always theirs.

I can't make heads nor tails of the ending of what you wrote above, so maybe you can clarify that.

Well the bible says Gods word is true so if my religion is based completely off Gods Word what is my religion?

 

[metis]

Well the bible says Gods word is true so if my religion is based completely off Gods Word what is my religion?

Please clarify what you wrote at the end of post #25.

While you're at it, please provide evidence that your handy-dandy Bible is "the Word of God" but the Bhagavad Gita is not.

 

[Isaiah Torres]

Please clarify what you wrote at the end of post #25.

While you're at it, please provide evidence that your handy-dandy Bible is "the Word of God" but the Bhagavad Gita is not.

Oh Jesus your one of them decieved "dont believe the scripture" folk well Jesus said he that believeth in me as the SCRIPTURE hath said so thats what im going to do..& anything else besides that is of the devil

 

[metis]

Oh Jesus your one of them decieved "dont believe the scripture" folk well Jesus said he that believeth in me as the SCRIPTURE hath said so thats what im going to do..& anything else besides that is of the devil

Now you're into lying as I said no such thing, which I would suggest is much more the actions of a "Goat" than a "Sheep" (again, Matthew 25). Plus, I can't help but notice that you didn't answer the question in my last post. Instead you judged me, which Jesus told you not to do.

So, the question is whether one, and that includes you, just believes about Jesus or actually believe in him? So far, all you've established is that you believe about him, but I actually do truly hope you believe in him, now or someday.

But what does that belief in Jesus actually entail? Best way to answer that is for you to sit down over a series of days and reread the entire "N.T." while keeping this question in mind: "What does Jesus and the apostles want me to do?". An excellent book that can help you is "The Imitation of Christ" by Thomas Kempis, whereas the main theme is to live one's life as Jesus did, or at least as close as possible. The wealthy prince couldn't do that if you remember. The "goats" could do it either. Nor could Judas-- one of the Twelve. Nor could the mustard seed that lay on the side of the road, not getting nurtured.
Believing and being baptized is a first step, but not the last one that a Christian should take. Living a life of love of God and compassion towards all is what Jesus and the apostles taught. Good luck on your journey-- and it is a journey.

 

[Isaiah Torres]

Now you're into lying as I said no such thing, which I would suggest is much more the actions of a "Goat" than a "Sheep" (again, Matthew 25). Plus, I can't help but notice that you didn't answer the question in my last post. Instead you judged me, which Jesus told you not to do.

So, the question is whether one, and that includes you, just believes about Jesus or actually believe in him? So far, all you've established is that you believe about him, but I actually do truly hope you believe in him, now or someday.

But what does that belief in Jesus actually entail? Best way to answer that is for you to sit down over a series of days and reread the entire "N.T." while keeping this question in mind: "What does Jesus and the apostles want me to do?". An excellent book that can help you is "The Imitation of Christ" by Thomas Kempis, whereas the main theme is to live one's life as Jesus did, or at least as close as possible. The wealthy prince couldn't do that if you remember. The "goats" could do it either. Nor could Judas-- one of the Twelve. Nor could the mustard seed that lay on the side of the road, not getting nurtured.
Believing and being baptized is a first step, but not the last one that a Christian should take. Living a life of love of God and compassion towards all is what Jesus and the apostles taught. Good luck on your journey-- and it is a journey.

Bottom line is we have to do all the Word tells us to do it tells us to be baptized in the Name if Jesus Christ get the Holy Ghost & than continue stedfastly in the Apostels doctrin we have to continue living for God after that this isnt a one day thing we have to do this as long as we live Jesus said he that endureth to the emd the same shall be saved

 

[rosends]

And though it's been said many times, many ways, the concept of "salvation" is alien to Judaism so asking how a Jew attains something which is not necessary under his schema of religion is silly. How does a Russian miner get assigned an American Public Defender? He has no need for one and one is not part of the system he lives in.

 

[metis]

Bottom line is we have to do all the Word tells us to do it tells us to be baptized in the Name if Jesus Christ get the Holy Ghost & than continue stedfastly in the Apostels doctrin we have to continue living for God after that this isnt a one day thing we have to do this as long as we live Jesus said he that endureth to the emd the same shall be saved

Ah, it's the underlined part that I was waiting and hoping to see.

 

[metis]

And though it's been said many times, many ways, the concept of "salvation" is alien to Judaism so asking how a Jew attains something which is not necessary under his schema of religion is silly. How does a Russian miner get assigned an American Public Defender? He has no need for one and one is not part of the system he lives in.

Wait a minute?! Is it wrong for me to want to be saved from those who want to save me? I'm so confused.

 

[Isaiah Torres]

Ah, it's the underlined part that I was waiting and hoping to see.

Yes but you cant leave off water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ which the bible tells us to get and the baptism of the Holy Ghost which the bible also tells us to get, thats first and formost you cant leave that off the bible says believe all things & if we believe it we have to obey unless our belief be in vain & Mark 16:16 Jesus said he that believeth and is baptised shall be saved.. Baptism is assential

 

[rosends]

Wait a minute?! Is it wrong for me to want to be saved from those who want to save me? I'm so confused.

well, there's "saved" and there's "saved."

 

[metis]

Yes but you cant leave off water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ which the bible tells us to get and the baptism of the Holy Ghost which the bible also tells us to get, thats first and formost you cant leave that off the bible says believe all things & if we believe it we have to obey unless our belief be in vain & Mark 16:16 Jesus said he that believeth and is baptised shall be saved.. Baptism is assential

So, the man on the cross next to Jesus who asked for forgiveness couldn't be saved? Funny, but that's not what Jesus said.

Maybe you should just leave the judging to God.

 

[Isaiah Torres]

So, the man on the cross next to Jesus who asked for forgiveness couldn't be saved? Funny, but that's not what Jesus said.

Maybe you should just leave the judging to God.

The time for that water and spirit to come into affect was on the day of pentacost at Jerusalem the thief on the cross was saved by his faith because the day of pentecost didnt come yet where people commanded people to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ and recieve the Holy Ghost.. Luke 24:47 when the thief was on the cross along with Jesus the time for people to get the water and Spirit didnt come yet it was at Jerusalem on the day of pentecost where there broke out at Luke 24:47 was fulfilled in Acts 2:38 and thats was after the thief on the cross.. I dare you to tell me it wasnt after..and im not judging im giving bible for what the bible says about being saved it only would offend hypocrites Jesus said blessed is he, that is not offended in me..im only bringing his word so if your offended its not in me its in Jesus

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

What does Salvation save us from?
How Are we saved?
Baptism is actually a very difficult Concept for christians, with no single understanding as to what it achieves.
Equally, ike God, the Holy Spirit is always with us from conception. He does not arrive at baptism or any other specific time.

Equally God and the holy spirit are with every one, of every faith, and what ever they may chose to believe, Christians are not special in this respect.
Jews have a different understanding, as they have a covernant with God. Which comes with many obligations, that others are not subject to. But what ever a person believes about God, or his messengers, does not change the reality of God, but only the way they percieve their connection and duty to God.

God does not require us to seek salvation from anything, God is with us. Always.

 

[metis]

The time for that water and spirit to come into affect was on the day of pentacost at Jerusalem the thief on the cross was saved by his faith because the day of pentecost didnt come yet where people commanded people to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ and recieve the Holy Ghost.. Luke 24:47 when the thief was on the cross along with Jesus the time for people to get the water and Spirit didnt come yet it was at Jerusalem on the day of pentecost where there broke out at Luke 24:47 was fulfilled in Acts 2:38 and thats was after the thief on the cross.. I dare you to tell me it wasnt after..and im not judging im giving bible for what the bible says about being saved it only would offend hypocrites Jesus said blessed is he, that is not offended in me..im only bringing his word so if your offended its not in me its in Jesus

Actually I'm not at all offended-- I just don't believe that God would be so trivially-minded that He would base salvation just on a ritual that takes a few seconds versus on one living the rest of their life with compassion for God and all. All you've done is to make a mockery of the "N.T." by saying as such. Why read it if you're "saved"? Why do anything if you're "saved"? Why not just be another "goat" if you're "saved"? Why not judge people, as you have done and Jesus told you not to do, if you're "saved"? Why not go out and rob a bank if you're "saved"? No morals needed since you're 'saved", right?

Yep, that's "rocking-chair religion" for ya.

So, let me recommend you find a church that actually teaches the gospel as it is written versus the shortcuts you've been taught as if it were the real gospel.