How Does a Jew Attain Salvation?

[Isaiah Torres]

Actually I'm not at all offended-- I just don't believe that God would be so trivially-minded that He would base salvation just on a ritual that takes a few seconds versus on one living the rest of their life with compassion for God and all. All you've done is to make a mockery of the "N.T." by saying as such. Why read it if you're "saved"? Why do anything if you're "saved"? Why not just be another "goat" if you're "saved"? Why not judge people, as you have done and Jesus told you not to do, if you're "saved"? Why not go out and rob a bank if you're "saved"? No morals needed since you're 'saved", right?

Yep, that's "rocking-chair religion" for ya.

So, let me recommend you find a church that actually teaches the gospel as it is written versus the shortcuts you've been taught as if it were the real gospel.

Well its not about what you think or how you feel its about whats written! Jesus said he that believeth on me as the scripture hath said you cant go by what you feel or think the bible says lean not to your own understanding..our opinions dont mean close to nothing what matters is whats written..& to be saved you must also be born of the water and of the spirit

 

[Isaiah Torres]

Well its not about what you think or how you feel its about whats written! Jesus said he that believeth on me as the scripture hath said you cant go by what you feel or think the bible says lean not to your own understanding..our opinions dont mean close to nothing what matters is whats written..& to be saved you must also be born of the water and of the spirit

Your putting words in my mouth im not saying after we get baptized and get the holy ghost we are automatically saved no! We after getting that we have to continue doing what the bible says fool you can be baptized and have the Holy Ghost and not be saved if you dont continue in whats written but i dont care how good you are to be saved you must also be baptized in Jesus name and recieve the Holy Ghost..

 

[metis]

Your putting words in my mouth im not saying after we get baptized and get the holy ghost we are automatically saved no! We after getting that we have to continue doing what the bible says fool you can be baptized and have the Holy Ghost and not be saved if you dont continue in whats written but i dont care how good you are to be saved you must also be baptized in Jesus name and recieve the Holy Ghost..

So, those of other religious faiths who do believe in God and do their best to act morally are not going to be "saved", right? Why would God condemn people who believe in Him and try to live a moral life?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

So if someone is somewhere without water, they're just screwed?

 

[Akivah]

You will see how "fiction" it was in eterntiy you better repent amd get right with God and believe the Gospel..the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand

How do you know that I'm not right with G-d? Wait a minute....G-d tells me not to converse with you anymore. Ta-ta.

 

[metis]

So if someone is somewhere without water, they're just screwed?

In Catholic theology, one could even use spit and they don't have to be clergy. However, let me recommend that you not go spitting on people and saying that you're just baptizing them.

 

[RabbiO]

How do you know that I'm not right with G-d? Wait a minute....G-d tells me not to converse with you anymore. Ta-ta.

I might normally respond to Mr. Torres that he should stop acting like a petulant and ignorant teenager who needs to, among other things spend more time learning to spell and more time learning to use proper grammar. I might normally respond that he needs to learn how to engage in civil discourse. However, I have viewed his profile and I have read what he has posted on the forum to date. It would be a fool's errand because that is exactly what he is.

Or as it says in Proverbs -
אל תען כסיל כאולתו פן תשוה לו גם אתה

 

[Isaiah Torres]

So, those of other religious faiths who do believe in God and do their best to act morally are not going to be "saved", right? Why would God condemn people who believe in Him and try to live a moral life?

Well we find an example of that in Acts 10 i believe when the man feared God and prayed always..he was doing good but God ordained 1 thing for the human family and God let him know that he had to go to peter to get fully right..and there he got the holy Ghost and was baptized in The name of the Lord Jesus

 

[Isaiah Torres]

How do you know that I'm not right with G-d? Wait a minute....G-d tells me not to converse with you anymore. Ta-ta.

Because your saying its fiction and no unbeliever is right with God at all

 

[metis]

Well we find an example of that in Acts 10 i believe when the man feared God and prayed always..he was doing good but God ordained 1 thing for the human family and God let him know that he had to go to peter to get fully right..and there he got the holy Ghost and was baptized in The name of the Lord Jesus

Then let me say that I believe the deity you are worshiping is nothing short of a being a genocidal maniac that would be all too willing to condemn the millions to billions of people who are trying to live a moral life. To me, it's political correctness on a massive overdose of steroids, and I want nothing to do with such a morally-depraved deity.

 

[metis]

Because your saying its fiction and no unbeliever is right with God at all

But Akiva is a believer in God, so there you go judging others again. I don't think Jesus would at all be pleased with your disobeying what he supposedly said, but then I have strong doubts you really believe in him anyway.

 

[Isaiah Torres]

Then let me say that I believe the deity you are worshiping is nothing short of a being a genocidal maniac that would be all too willing to condemn the millions to billions of people who are trying to live a moral life. To me, it's political correctness on a massive overdose of steroids, and I want nothing to do with such a morally-depraved deity.

No dont get it wrong we have morals matter of fact probably more morals that what you have because we have to do things yea but we also have to live holy and continue in what we learned all the days of our life you cant can any more morals than that which is living holy and perfect before the Lord so stop lying when you dont even know what your talking your just trying to make it look bad when you dont even know..but having morals and living a holy life every day is what we are all about! So that is unvalid what you said but we believe in ALL the bible says we dont pick and choose we pick it all.. So when the bible says live holy and sin not...yeahh we obey that we have what alot would say a strict standard for how we live..but we belive in you must be born by the water and Spirit which is BIBLE if you rejecting what im saying your rejecting bible and we obey Acts 2:38 and you have to if you want to be saved than you can have the most moral filled holy life & you will be alright but if in your heart you really love God he will bring you to this just like he sent that man to peter so he can get right even tho he already feared God and prayed..if that alone saves you than why the Lord directed him to peter to be baptized and so peter can tell him how to get right..so thats what you have to do and if you really fear God honestly in your heart he will show you what you must do..and that is what peter told the people to do in Acts 2:38

 

[Isaiah Torres]

But Akiva is a believer in God, so there you go judging others again. I don't think Jesus would at all be pleased with your disobeying what he supposedly said, but then I have strong doubts you really believe in him anyway.

I do believe in Jesus thats why im spreading his word and know he and you are not true belivers because you would obey what the bible says and until than your god is the god of this world

 

[Isaiah Torres]

I do believe in Jesus thats why im spreading his word and know he and you are not true belivers because you would obey what the bible says and until than your god is the god of this world

Im not judging im bringing forth word..but remember when you meet God your going to be without an excuse you heard it

 

[metis]

No dont get it wrong we have morals matter of fact probably more morals that what you have because we have to do things yea but we also have to live holy and continue in what we learned all the days of our life you cant can any more morals than that which is living holy and perfect before the Lord so stop lying when you dont even know what your talking your just trying to make it look bad when you dont even know..but having morals and living a holy life every day is what we are all about! So that is unvalid what you said but we believe in ALL the bible says we dont pick and choose we pick it all.. So when the bible says live holy and sin not...yeahh we obey that we have what alot would say a strict standard for how we live..but we belive in you must be born by the water and Spirit which is BIBLE if you rejecting what im saying your rejecting bible and we obey Acts 2:38 and you have to if you want to be saved than you can have the most moral filled holy life & you will be alright but if in your heart you really love God he will bring you to this just like he sent that man to peter so he can get right even tho he already feared God and prayed..if that alone saves you than why the Lord directed him to peter to be baptized and so peter can tell him how to get right..so thats what you have to do and if you really fear God honestly in your heart he will show you what you must do..and that is what peter told the people to do in Acts 2:38

First of all, you don't know squat about me, so how can you with any honesty and intelligence say how our morals may compare? Oh, but I forgot-- you're heavily into judging others even though Jesus told you not to. Gee, how could I have forgotten that?

And how is it that you supposedly know that I reject the Bible? True that I don't use the same Bible you use-- so?

"Judge ye not or ye will be judged..."-- maybe you should actually believe in those words. You say you do, but it's obvious you really don't.

 

[metis]

Im not judging im bringing forth word..but remember when you meet God your going to be without an excuse you heard it

You're lying as it is abundantly clear you have been judging people here, and anyone who goes back through your posts on this thread can easily see that. A far better and more moral response from you could be something like this: "My Bible says ____, but I'll let God do the judging". But you've never said that. Instead, you just ignore what Jesus said, and that's quite a shame.

Anyhow, I'm finally done trying to have a serious discussion with you, so you can just go merrily along on your self-righteous way.

 

[Flankerl]

thats why im spreading his word

Which is against the Forum rules.

 

[metis]

Which is against the Forum rules.

A point that I forgot. I think it's my age-thingy that's a problem.

 

[Isaiah Torres]

You're lying as it is abundantly clear you have been judging people here, and anyone who goes back through your posts on this thread can easily see that. A far better and more moral response from you could be something like this: "My Bible says ____, but I'll let God do the judging". But you've never said that. Instead, you just ignore what Jesus said, and that's quite a shame.

Anyhow, I'm finally done trying to have a serious discussion with you, so you can just go merrily along on your self-righteous way.

I take all Jesus said you your just misunderstanding what im saying but ina leave this with you....you without an excuse now you better take heed

 

[metis]

Well than im against forum rules because im going to spread the Word of God regardless that aint nothing but the devil trying to get rid of me because he know im speaking the truth in Christ and lying not

Oh, I just have to respond to this.

When you first signed on to join RF, you made a pledge to follow the forum rules or you would not have been allowed to join, but now you're saying that you are not going to obey them? First you ignore what Jesus told you not to do and now you ignore the pledge you took to belong here at RF? And you really think you're acting like a moral person should?