Buttercup
Veteran Member
This thread is confusing me a bit. Do you mind if I ask what you mean by the comment regarding 'rejecting' non-whites and others is rooted in racism? Do you mean sexually or socially?
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How does Feminism view Men?
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Well, again:
Well, if we are talking about rejecting someone because of what one assumes their genitals to be when that assumption is different from reality, I agree that would be transphobic. But rejecting someone who you know has a penis when you're a heterosexual male, for example? I see absolutely no problem with that.
I suppose not being attracted to certain people is bigoted, then, going by that logic. We should be attracted to everyone to avoid being bigoted, it seems.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
That is racist.
Are you attracted to everyone equally?
Both. I have yet to hear a reason why a person doesn't find members of another racial/ethnic group attractive that aren't rooted in racism on some level when you actually get them to explain their reasons.
It's a problem because it means you don't see a trans woman as a woman and are reducing gender and sex to mere body parts.
Nope, I do see trans women as women and trans men as men, but bodies are a part of attraction for me. I'm just not turned on by the idea of having sex with someone who has a penis.
The implication is that a trans woman is somehow "less" a woman than a cis woman because she may have a penis, regardless of her feelings about that part of her body or what she enjoys sexually. I mean, if vaginas are such a big thing to you, would you consider having sex with a feminine trans man?
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
This is why the LGB movement has nothing to do with TIs and so forth.
Sexuality issues are not Gender issues.
Of course there is nothing wrong with not being attracted to people because they have a penis, no penis, are white, brown, blonde, brunette, tall, small and so forth. Rejecting such a basic fact is beyond ridiculous.
Sexuality issues are not Gender issues.
Of course there is nothing wrong with not being attracted to people because they have a penis, no penis, are white, brown, blonde, brunette, tall, small and so forth. Rejecting such a basic fact is beyond ridiculous.
No, because both gender and physical sex matter to me.
Because trans people certainly don't have an intertwined history with gays, lesbians and bisexuals that goes back for thousands of years. Certainly trans people had nothing to do with the gay rights movement since the beginning.
Whatever. I'm out of this thread. Enjoy your transphobic hate fest. Seems to be a popular pastime on RF.
Keep pulling that victim card. And "hate fest"? Some of your posts and posts you "liked" in different threads make every single post in this thread look like a love letter. That's not a card you want to pull.
While it is about race, I don't think the word, "racist", applies when talking about sexual attraction preferences.
That's different from judging a person's value, smarts, employability, etc.
Attraction can be narrow, to....age range, height, weight, hair, fashion sense, sveltitude, religion, etc.
"Victim card", hmm. Considering who you were white knighting on this thread, that's not something you want to throw around. Boy, I'm really learning a ton about you tonight.
As for different threads, my opinions are subject to change, especially since I don't know what you're referring to in the first place.
No, it's not transphobic. People have a right to date or not date others based on their personal preferences. Transphobic would be more along the lines of hating, fearing, etc. transgendered people because they are transgendered. To equate transphobia with someone's preference in who to date is incredible.
Like almost everyone above the age of 13, I've been rejected as a date from time to time. Sometimes the rejection has upset me. But I've never thought that anyone who rejected me was therefore a misandrist, heterophobic, or otherwise displaying anything but a legitimate personal preference.
Now you're referring to clarifying misconceptions about a person as "white knighting." Yep, I was supposed to watch a person get misrepresented without saying anything when I know that their attitude is different from what it was being attacked as.
Good for you.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Because trans people certainly don't have an intertwined history with gays, lesbians and bisexuals that goes back for thousands of years. Certainly trans people had nothing to do with the gay rights movement since the beginning.
So why not include disabled people? Why not include Paedophiles(note before you rage: most Paedophiles do not engage in their lust and don't break any laws)?
The first has nothing to do with Sexuality while the latter actually has.
Thousands of years? Oh please.
Again that is ridiculous. I have to live with the fact that not everyone is attracted to me because I am blonde, have a vagina, a disability and some because I am Jewish. (of course there are other things as well)
In the same way you have to live with the fact that not everyone is attracted to you because you are trans and probably because of a few other things as well.
That is life.
You can't force people to like stuff. This kind of weird logic quite some trans people have isn't doing them a big service as its highly illogical.
Thank you!
On occasion, feminism & egalitarianism will meet, & have a pleasant lunch together....often with pie.We agree in a thread with "feminism" in its title. Holy crap!