How does God know the future?

[ladybug83]

I like that... God knows all the possibilties but not the outcome, yet he's never surprised by the outcome. I believe that when one knows all the answers and not just one, though may not know exactly which answer it could be, it would make him all-knowing. Hence, He knows "all the answers."

Free agency is everything, but we as humans aren't exactly unique in our choices, are we? The same mistakes are constantly made, the same thoughts, ideas, desires, etc., have been created or felt before. How could God not know the possible outcomes for us?

 

[McBell]

I did answer the question, God is intelligence. he is more far more intelligent than anyone on this earth. he jsut knows all the possibilities and plans ahead for them.

And again you completely sidestepped the actual question.
Does God know the actual choose that will be made?
If not, then He cannot be all knowing.
You indicate in your reply that He does not know which choice will be chosen.
For if He did, there would be no need to plan ahead for all possible choices.

I like that... God knows all the possibilities but not the outcome, yet he's never surprised by the outcome. I believe that when one knows all the answers and not just one, though may not know exactly which answer it could be, it would make him all-knowing. Hence, He knows "all the answers."

Yet He does not the answer to the question: which choice will be chosen?
Thus He does not know all the answers.
Thus He is not all knowing.

Free agency is everything, but we as humans aren't exactly unique in our choices, are we? The same mistakes are constantly made, the same thoughts, ideas, desires, etc., have been created or felt before. How could God not know the possible outcomes for us?

Knowing all the possible choices one can make does not mean that one knows which one of those choices will be chosen.

 

[madhatter85]

And again you completely sidestepped the actual question.
Does God know the actual choose that will be made?
If not, then He cannot be all knowing.
You indicate in your reply that He does not know which choice will be chosen.
For if He did, there would be no need to plan ahead for all possible choices.


Yet He does not the answer to the question: which choice will be chosen?
Thus He does not know all the answers.
Thus He is not all knowing.


Knowing all the possible choices one can make does not mean that one knows which one of those choices will be chosen.

How can you say that God is not all knowing when he knows ALL of the possible outcomes and is not suprised by them. technically that would make him all knowing and still have room for free-agency.

the point Is God's plan is flawless and impossible to overthrow because of the characteristics of his plan. no matter what choices peopel make the same plan is still followed by those who listen to his words.

 

[Smoke]

How can you say that God is not all knowing when he knows ALL of the possible outcomes and is not suprised by them.

Because knowing all the possible outcomes is not the same is knowing what the actual outcome will be.

 

[McBell]

How can you say that God is not all knowing when he knows ALL of the possible outcomes and is not suprised by them. technically that would make him all knowing and still have room for free-agency.

He cannot be all knowing if He does not know which of the outcomes will be chosen.
All knowing means means know all.
If there is even one little teensy weensy tiny thing that he does not know, then he cannot be all knowing.

the point Is God's plan is flawless and impossible to overthrow because of the characteristics of his plan. no matter what choices peopel make the same plan is still followed by those who listen to his words.

Of course those who are following his plan do not alter said plan.