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How does Scripture define the left (Progressives) from the right (conservatives)?

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
According to the stories, the early Christians didn't need weapons to forcibly take private property; according to the story of Ananais and Sapphyra in Acts, God was happy to strike people down when they didn't comply with wealth redistribution.
According to the unknown author of Acts, Annanias was struck down for lying. As for weapons, Peter cut off the slave's ear with a sword, and later, according to some guy named Luke, Yeshua told his disciples to buy a sword. Luke 22:36
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Woke Progressives are Marxist socialist, which is the ramp into communism. Yeshua taught that you have to keep the Commandments to enter into life (Mt 19:17), which is that you cannot covet your neighbors' goods, nor make false witness. Communism/socialism is based on taking another's goods to fulfill the woke subjective moral superiority of the comrades in charge. Who do you know follows "Jesus"? Do you know anyone who has sold all they owned and given it to the poor. Yeshua was teaching the kingdom of heaven (Mt 13) which has nothing to do with the "Christian" doctrines, which preach the "message" of the "enemy"/"devil" (Matthew 13).
So believing in reason, compassion, freedom, rights, equality, justice, science, etc. magically makes one a Marxist/socialist/communist even if they don't actually believe in any of those economic models? How could anyone be expected to take such nonsensical drivel seriously? I hope that you actually find Jesus and let him into your heart one day.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
You're upset that they're holding a criminal accountable for his crimes. The fact that you think Trump is infallible and beyond reproach is a form of idolatry. Drop to your knees and repent.
Trump is not infallible. He was recently a Democrat. How low could a person go? On the other hand, a Democrat of yesterday, is not a Progressive Democrat of today. Fortunately, many Democrat voting people are seeing the light and are fleeing the party and moving out of their Democratic run states and cities.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
How did Donald Trump get into this discussion? You must be assuming that Trump is on the right, such as being righteous, which, with respect to the Progressives being on the left, among the "wicked", I can see how you come to that conclusion. Trump was recently a democrat. He was as wrong as any Progressive at that time, and apparently, using his cognitive abilities, saw his errors and turned right. Apparently, the leader of the Progressives, Biden, has lost his cognitive abilities, and his comrades and followers follow in his path to "destruction". As for "traditional understanding of scripture", which is followed by the "many", on their way to "destruction" (Matthew 7:12), Yeshua said one must come out of "her", the daughters of Babylon (Christian churches), to escape the "plagues" (Revelation 18:40, versus signing up for Obama Care, the health care of the horn of the "beast".
I do not need to assume Trump represents the right against the progressive left. fully 95%+ of the Conservative right Christians support Trump without reservation.

Obama Care was supported by both the left and the right when it was passed to provide medical care for the poor and low income.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Trump is not infallible. He was recently a Democrat. How low could a person go? On the other hand, a Democrat of yesterday, is not a Progressive Democrat of today. Fortunately, many Democrat voting people are seeing the light and are fleeing the party and moving out of their Democratic run states and cities.
Do you suppose god was guiding Trump's hand when he was (by his own words) "grabbing them by the *****"? Don't you think idolizing a treasonous rapist who embodies all seven deadly sins places your salvation in jeopardy?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Nor the prayers of parents with children dying of cancer.
Maybe those parents should "come out of her" (daughters of Babylon, the Christian churches), and run from the plagues therein. (Revelation 18:4) That would leave the door open for miracles, as stated by Yeshua, when answering your same question. The "ruler of the world" now,is the "dragon", who gives his authority to the beast (Rev 13:4). The "kingdom of heaven" is not even preached, but instead the gospel of grace, the "message" of the "enemy"/"devil" (Mt 13), and therefore, there is no "kingdom of heaven" with respect to power and spirit, and the physical kingdom of God remain behind the door (Mt 24:33). It is hard to worship the devil and his world leaders/beasts, and still expect your family to be healed.
Luke 10:9
and heal those in it who are sick, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Trump is not infallible. He was recently a Democrat. How low could a person go? On the other hand, a Democrat of yesterday, is not a Progressive Democrat of today. Fortunately, many Democrat voting people are seeing the light and are fleeing the party and moving out of their Democratic run states and cities.
Trump remains the icon and devoted leader of the Conservative Right and supported by the Conservative Right Christians today.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Maybe those parents should "come out of her" (daughters of Babylon, the Christian churches), and run from the plagues therein. (Revelation 18:4) That would leave the door open for miracles, as stated by Yeshua, when answering your same question. The "ruler of the world" now,is the "dragon", who gives his authority to the beast (Rev 13:4). The "kingdom of heaven" is not even preached, but instead the gospel of grace, the "message" of the "enemy"/"devil" (Mt 13), and therefore, there is no "kingdom of heaven" with respect to power and spirit, and the physical kingdom of God remain behind the door (Mt 24:33). It is hard to worship the devil and his world leaders/beasts, and still expect your family to be healed.
Luke 10:9
and heal those in it who are sick, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’
Wow, so you are really going to blame the parents of dying children (from cancers that God caused) for why God doesn't answer their prayers? You are going to turn your back on your fellow Christians just to save the pride you have in your dogma and belief?

Maybe you exist in the dark more than you realize. By your fruit will you be judged, and here you show not a single bit of compassion and sadness for what these families experience. Your only focus is on your dogma, that set of concepts that define your identity. Where is your light? Where is your compassion and decency? I wonder if you pray to have your sickness healed.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Wow, so you are really going to blame the parents of dying children (from cancers that God caused) for why God doesn't answer their prayers? You are going to turn your back on your fellow Christians just to save the pride you have in your dogma and belief?

Maybe you exist in the dark more than you realize. By your fruit will you be judged, and here you show not a single bit of compassion and sadness for what these families experience. Your only focus is on your dogma, that set of concepts that define your identity. Where is your light? Where is your compassion and decency? I wonder if you pray to have your sickness healed.
Where is your light? Have you healed the children with your rhetoric or prayers? Have "Christians", or yourself, been "righteous" enough to pray for the healing of their "children" (James 5:16) upon their confession and repentance, or do they continue to follow the "false prophets" down the wide path to "destruction" (Matthew 7:12-15)? As for "Christians" being my fellows, no, they are my neighbors, and as souls in the dark, should be told the truth/light, the Word of God, versus the "message" of the "devil" (Mt 13:39-42), especially now that we are at the "end of the age", whereas there is no restraint with regard to pulling up the "tares" and exposing the false "message" of the "enemy"/"devil" (Matthew 13:30), as in showing the false gospel of grace, per the false prophet Paul, as a wide path to "destruction"/hell. Maybe you should examine your dogmas, the traditions of men, and find out where they actually come from.

James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

Matthew 13:30
King James Bible
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Where is your light? Have you healed the children with your rhetoric or prayers? Have "Christians", or yourself, been "righteous" enough to pray for the healing of their "children" (James 5:16) upon their confession and repentance, or do they continue to follow the "false prophets" down the wide path to "destruction" (Matthew 7:12-15)? As for "Christians" being my fellows, no, they are my neighbors, and as souls in the dark, should be told the truth/light, the Word of God, versus the "message" of the "devil" (Mt 13:39-42), especially now that we are at the "end of the age", whereas there is no restraint with regard to pulling up the "tares" and exposing the false "message" of the "enemy"/"devil" (Matthew 13:30), as in showing the false gospel of grace, per the false prophet Paul, as a wide path to "destruction"/hell. Maybe you should examine your dogmas, the traditions of men, and find out where they actually come from.

James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

Matthew 13:30
King James Bible
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
I asked you some direct questions. Why are you evading them? If you don’t have answers just admit it.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I asked you some direct questions. Why are you evading them? If you don’t have answers just admit it.
I don't know, you are pitching a straw man question concerning "my fellow Christians", who as followers of lawlessness, the false gospel of grace, put them in the group of tares (Mt 13), and not my "fellows", whereas they are my neighbors, who like yourself, can be informed of their wrong wide path (Mt 7:12-15), and suggested to confess their sins, and repent, or as you talk about, get their sins forgiven and healed, a process you do not appear to follow or suggest others do as well. My position is that the "kingdom" is near, and one best confess their sins, repent, produce good fruit (Mt 3), or be consumed with fire (coming great tribulation/day of the LORD), where upon, the nations/Gentiles are judged. (Mt 24 & Joel 2:31 -3:2) As for the nations/Gentiles in which Israel/Jacob had been "scattered", they shall be "completely destroyed". (Jeremiah 30:11).

Jeremiah 30:10-11
…10As for you, O Jacob My servant, do not be afraid, declares the LORD, and do not be dismayed, O Israel. For I will surely save you out of a distant place, your descendants from the land of their captivity! Jacob will return to quiet and ease, with no one to make him afraid.
11For I am with you to save you, declares the LORD. Though I will completely destroy all the nations to which I have scattered you, I will not completely destroy you. Yet I will discipline you justly, and will by no means leave you unpunished.”
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
So believing in reason, compassion, freedom, rights, equality, justice, science, etc. magically makes one a Marxist/socialist/communist even if they don't actually believe in any of those economic models? How could anyone be expected to take such nonsensical drivel seriously? I hope that you actually find Jesus and let him into your heart one day.
Your Marxist compassion, results in death. Your freedom of bowing down to Caesar, and using racial preferential bias for justice, and ever-changing science has led to Dr. Fauci and his ilk. As for your reason, based upon cherry picked theories of self-discounted theorist, up to100s of years old, which time has passed, which has led your Progressive movement, to deny the difference between men and women, and determine murder below or above a certain age is moral justified on the grounds of personal freedom and reason. I don't know, I think the ground you stand on is a bit shaky. The "Christians" and the "Muslims" have their false prophets, and the humanist Marxist, have their own gods, the god of self, and the stance of a subjective morality, built around the philosophy of Marx and Lennin. If it works for you, well, you have the freedom to hold on to it, but don't expect a good outcome. Look at your leader, Joe Biden. That is the road you are on.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I don't know, you are pitching a straw man question concerning "my fellow Christians", who as followers of lawlessness, the false gospel of grace, put them in the group of tares (Mt 13), and not my "fellows", whereas they are my neighbors, who like yourself, can be informed of their wrong wide path (Mt 7:12-15), and suggested to confess their sins, and repent, or as you talk about, get their sins forgiven and healed, a process you do not appear to follow or suggest others do as well. My position is that the "kingdom" is near, and one best confess their sins, repent, produce good fruit (Mt 3), or be consumed with fire (coming great tribulation/day of the LORD), where upon, the nations/Gentiles are judged.
I asked you to explain the observations that everyone makes about Christians. You describe a rather idealistic view of Christianity but it is obviously not shared by most other Christians. You keep deflecting and defaulting to dogma as if that explains anything. If you are going to cite the Bible then explain why many of your fellow Christians don’t agree with you.

Go back and read my questions. And try to offer answers. Or just admit you have none.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Your Marxist compassion, results in death. Your freedom of bowing down to Caesar, and using racial preferential bias for justice, and ever-changing science has led to Dr. Fauci and his ilk. As for your reason, based upon cherry picked theories of self-discounted theorist, up to100s of years old, which time has passed, which has led your Progressive movement, to deny the difference between men and women, and determine murder below or above a certain age is moral justified on the grounds of personal freedom and reason. I don't know, I think the ground you stand on is a bit shaky. The "Christians" and the "Muslims" have their false prophets, and the humanist Marxist, have their own gods, the god of self, and the stance of a subjective morality, built around the philosophy of Marx and Lennin. If it works for you, well, you have the freedom to hold on to it, but don't expect a good outcome. Look at your leader, Joe Biden. That is the road you are on.
Incoherent drivel. o_O
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I asked you to explain the observations that everyone makes about Christians. You describe a rather idealistic view of Christianity but it is obviously not shared by most other Christians. You keep deflecting and defaulting to dogma as if that explains anything. If you are going to cite the Bible then explain why many of your fellow Christians don’t agree with you.

Go back and read my questions. And try to offer answers. Or just admit you have none.
Apparently you are not reading what I have written. The reason "Christians" don't agree with me, is stated in Matthew 13, whereas Yeshua explains the "kingdom of heaven", whereas it is shown in a parable of the farmer (son of man) planting "good seed" in his "field", and at night, there comes the "enemy"/"devil" who plants the tare seeds which grow along with the good seed (wheat). (Tares are weeds which appear as wheat but produce no fruit). At the "end of the age" (Mt 13:30) the angels come and "gather out" the "tares" and throw them into the fire, after which the wheat is gathered into the barn (kingdom). Prior to the "end of the age", the workers (disciples/slaves) are prevented from rooting out the tares (Mt 13:27-28) lest they disturb the wheat. The "field" that the good seed (message of the son of man) and the tares (message of the devil/enemy was planted together, was the NT. The present "leader of the world", the devil/dragon, has according to Yeshua (has nothing in me), yet the leader of the world, via the Roman church/Rome, has protected the good message along with the message of lawlessness (Mt 13:40-42). As followers of the "message" of the "devil", "Christians" are not my fellows. They are my neighbors. Yeshua explained that he gave the narrative of the "kingdom of heaven" in parables so that only those with ears to hear could understand. Now that we are at the "end of the age", there is no protection for the tares, and they can be exposed. In Matthew 13, there are around 7 parables around the kingdom of heaven. To get a good picture, one must read them all.

Matthew 13:30
King James Bible
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Incoherent drivel. o_O
That is explained per Daniel 12:10, whereas the "wicked" will not "understand". The "right" would represent the righteous, and the left would represent the "wicked". The wicked will stand and wonder that which they cannot comprehend and declare it "incoherent".

…Daniel 12:9“Go on your way, Daniel,” he replied, “for the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10Many will be purified, made spotless, and refined, but the wicked will continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
That is explained per Daniel 12:10, whereas the "wicked" will not "understand". The "right" would represent the righteous, and the left would represent the "wicked". The wicked will stand and wonder that which they cannot comprehend and declare it "incoherent".

…Daniel 12:9“Go on your way, Daniel,” he replied, “for the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10Many will be purified, made spotless, and refined, but the wicked will continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand.
Deuteronomy 28:28 explains why your posts are nonsensical. I advise that you kneel in prayer and seek repentance.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Apparently you are not reading what I have written.
I'm reading, it just doesn't explain anything. And you still aren't answering my questions. You write sermons that assume your interpretation of the Bible is true. I'm asking for explanations in real terms, reality. Look at what you write below:
The reason "Christians" don't agree with me, is stated in Matthew 13, whereas Yeshua explains the "kingdom of heaven", whereas it is shown in a parable of the farmer (son of man) planting "good seed" in his "field", and at night, there comes the "enemy"/"devil" who plants the tare seeds which grow along with the good seed (wheat). (Tares are weeds which appear as wheat but produce no fruit). At the "end of the age" (Mt 13:30) the angels come and "gather out" the "tares" and throw them into the fire, after which the wheat is gathered into the barn (kingdom). Prior to the "end of the age", the workers (disciples/slaves) are prevented from rooting out the tares (Mt 13:27-28) lest they disturb the wheat. The "field" that the good seed (message of the son of man) and the tares (message of the devil/enemy was planted together, was the NT. The present "leader of the world", the devil/dragon, has according to Yeshua (has nothing in me), yet the leader of the world, via the Roman church/Rome, has protected the good message along with the message of lawlessness (Mt 13:40-42). As followers of the "message" of the "devil", "Christians" are not my fellows. They are my neighbors. Yeshua explained that he gave the narrative of the "kingdom of heaven" in parables so that only those with ears to hear could understand. Now that we are at the "end of the age", there is no protection for the tares, and they can be exposed. In Matthew 13, there are around 7 parables around the kingdom of heaven. To get a good picture, one must read them all.
This explains nothing but your beliefs. I'm asking why Christians committed the Holocaust. Why Christians tortured and executed people for witchcraft for a period of time until there were massive protests. You don't seem capable of explaining why Christians behave the way they do in real life even when it goes against what Jesus taught. If you have no answers, and there's a history of Christians going way off the mark, what do you really have as an argument that your religion is correct and moral?
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The "teachings"/message of the "son of man"/Yeshua, was that you must keep the Commandments (Mt 19:16-19), in which he listed for those who don't know the OT, and the 10th Commandments is that one is not to covet their neighbors goods, which is antithetical to the Progressive Marxist message, which would be categorized in Matthew 13:25, as the "message" of the "enemy"/"devil", which is for those who "commit lawlessness", and make their own individual subjective moral interpretations.
So when you get rid of Obamacare and cleanse Europe of its equivalents, you'll just say to the ill and the injured who can't afford medical care, Ha Ha tough! And don't forget to die somewhere where I can't see you.

Is that the style?
 
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