How Does the Existence of God Negate Darwinian Evolution?

[TagliatelliMonster]

Because a singularity doesn't have the mind of an artist.

God is self existing. How can the artwork that is the universe be self existing?

Every single argument you give for why the universe must be created, applies to your god as well.
The universe is created, apparantly, because it is "complex".
Your god necessarily must also be complex. Perhaps even more complex then the universe.

So if that means the universe must be created, then your god must be created as well.
To make an exception to this "rule" for your god, is just a case of special pleading. Another fallacy.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There was a beginning to the universe. It implies that there must be a beginner to the universe.

It does not.
If there was a beginning, it just means that something triggered it into beginning. This something doesn't need to be a "who" any means. And in fact, considering everything we know about "who"'s, it is in fact very extremely unlikely and implausible that it was a "who".

Asking "who created the universe" is a loaded question like "why do you hit your wife".

How about "WHAT created the universe".
You're going to need to bring some serious evidence to justify using the word "who". And that evidence should demonstrate agency and intentionality. Good luck with that.

If there was a beginning, there must be a Beginner to the universe-someone to set it all in motion. We know intuitively that beginnings require Beginners.

A tornado has a beginning. Does it also have a "beginner"?
Perhaps tornado creating pixies?

 

[exchemist]

I meant it makes more sense that God would create in nature directly than through evolution

Maybe, but all the evidence is he didn't. So obviously what may seem like "sense" would appear to be wrong.

Unless one thinks that God put the fossils in the rocks to fool the scientists, of course, like Edmund Gosse's father: Philip Henry Gosse - Wikipedia

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The Law of Cause and effect is similar to people's ancestors causing them. How can there be an infinite regress? There has to be a first cause or an uncaused cause that created that first effect.

Even the founder of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies at NASA, implied that the universe can't be an effect without a cause. Charles Darwin said I am aware that if we admit a first cause, the mind still craves to know whence it came, and how it arose. According to the law of cause and effect, it is irrefutable that everything that has a beginning has a cause, including the universe. The universe (an effect) cannot simply bring itself into being. It requires a cause that is outside itself.

Causality isn't actually a law in the sense that you think it is.

Uncaused events happen in quantum mechanics all the time.

Furthermore, causality is a phenomenon IN the universe. It requires temporal conditions to manifest. Because causes happen BEFORE effects. So causality is dependend on the flow of time. If there is no flow of time, then there is no causality.

Time is a property / dimension of the universe. No universe = no time.
A "cause" of the universe would have to happen BEFORE the universe. But there is no "before" the universe, because there is no time for that "before" to take place in.

It's like talking about "north of the north pole".

When you go back in time and reach the beginning of the universe, you have reached the beginning of time. There is no "before" the beginning of time. So there is no temporal frame in which a cause could happen.

So to talk about a "cause" of the universe, is technically nonsense.

We do speak about a "cause" to refer to whatever process originated the universe, because we have to use words to communicate our ideas and as we are beings that live in a space-time continuum, we have no language to accomodate for such atemporal conditions. But keep in mind that the concept of actions happening "before" the universe, is by itself somewhat nonsensical.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The earth's axis is titled 23 degrees from the perpendicular to the plane of its orbit. This tilting, combined with the earth's surface revolution around the sun, causes our seasons, which are absolutely essential for the raising of food supplies.

The eco system adapted to the world. The world didn't adapt to the eco system.

 

[Audie]

The earth's axis is titled 23 degrees from the perpendicular to the plane of its orbit. This tilting, combined with the earth's surface revolution around the sun, causes our seasons, which are absolutely essential for the raising of food supplies.

Really. The tropics don't have four seasons,
so you can't grow food there?
You never get anything right!

 

[Skywalker]

The eco system adapted to the world. The world didn't adapt to the eco system.

The earth's atmosphere (especially the ozone layer) serves as a protective shield from lethal solar ultraviolet radiation, which would otherwise destroy all life. The earth's atmosphere also serves to protect the earth by burning up approximately twenty million meteors each day that enter it at speeds of about 30 miles per second! Without this crucial protection, the danger to life would be immense. The two primary constituents of the earth's atmosphere are nitrogen (78 percent) and oxygen (20 percent). This delicate and critical ratio is essential to all life forms. The earth's magnetic field provides important protection from harmful cosmic radiation. How could all of this happen just by chance?

 

[Audie]

The earth's atmosphere (especially the ozone layer) serves as a protective shield from lethal solar ultraviolet radiation, which would otherwise destroy all life. The earth's atmosphere also serves to protect the earth by burning up approximately twenty million meteors each day that enter it at speeds of about 30 miles per second! Without this crucial protection, the danger to life would be immense. The two primary constituents of the earth's atmosphere are nitrogen (78 percent) and oxygen (20 percent). This delicate and critical ratio is essential to all life forms. The earth's magnetic field provides important protection from harmful cosmic radiation. How could all of this happen just by chance?

"Essential to all life forms" is ignorant b.s.

Have you considered educating yourself before
trying to educate others? Spreading falsehoods
is unconscionable.

 

[Skywalker]

"Essential to all life forms" is ignorant b.s.

Have you considered educating yourself before
trying to educate others? Spreading falsehoods
is unconscionable.

Even Stephen Hawking said things that support the aspects of design that we see in the solar system. Stephen Hawking Quote

 

[ratiocinator]

The two primary constituents of the earth's atmosphere are nitrogen (78 percent) and oxygen (20 percent). This delicate and critical ratio is essential to all life forms.

Do you ever bother to check the real science? The oxygen content is because of life, not the other way around. Oxygen was poisonous to early life and was a waste product (it still is to plants that photosynthesise). When it first built up it cased many species to go extinct. See: Great Oxidation Event - Wikipedia

How could all of this happen just by chance?

Quite apart from the fact that the life on this planet has adapted to it, not the other way around, it could easily happen by chance. Have you got any idea how many planets there are likely to be in the universe? That we find ourselves on one of them on which the conditions make life possible, couldn't be less surprising.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The earth's atmosphere (especially the ozone layer) serves as a protective shield from lethal solar ultraviolet radiation, which would otherwise destroy all life.The earth's atmosphere also serves to protect the earth by burning up approximately twenty million meteors each day that enter it at speeds of about 30 miles per second! Without this crucial protection, the danger to life would be immense.

Your ignorance is showing again. Extremophiles an survive in outer space, for example. No atmosphere there. You also seem to ignore how massive extinctions occured in the past, and will inevitably also occur in the future.

The two primary constituents of the earth's atmosphere are nitrogen (78 percent) and oxygen (20 percent).

The oxygen was put there as a waste product of early life. Oxygen was actually toxic to them.

This delicate and critical ratio is essential to all life forms.

False. See above.

The earth's magnetic field provides important protection from harmful cosmic radiation.

The thing that generates this field (a spinning iron )core, also creates supervolcano's that cause nuclear winters when they explode. And regular volcano's off course, which by themselves also cause great havoc and death and destruction.

How could all of this happen just by chance?

It happened the way it happened and life adapted to it, not the other way round.
Early life lived on an earth that had no oxygen in the atmosphere. Oxygen was toxic to them. They created it as a waste product. Over millions, billions of years, they filled the atmosphere with it. Life then gradually adapted and eventually dependend on it being there. This was not always the case.

Again: life adapts to its enivronment, not the other way round.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Even Stephen Hawking said things that support the aspects of design that we see in the solar system. Stephen Hawking Quote

Back to dishonest quote mining?

 

[ppp]

Even Stephen Hawking said things that support the aspects of design that we see in the solar system. Stephen Hawking Quote

If you want to quote Hawking...
“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist,”

“It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.”

 

[Skywalker]

If you want to quote Hawking...
“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist,”

“It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.”

Carl Sagan described the brain's neurochemistry as "busy and the circuitry of a machine more wonderful than any designed by humans". https://publicism.info/science/cosmos/12.html

 

[Skywalker]

Causality isn't actually a law in the sense that you think it is.

Uncaused events happen in quantum mechanics all the time.

Furthermore, causality is a phenomenon IN the universe. It requires temporal conditions to manifest. Because causes happen BEFORE effects. So causality is dependend on the flow of time. If there is no flow of time, then there is no causality.

Time is a property / dimension of the universe. No universe = no time.
A "cause" of the universe would have to happen BEFORE the universe. But there is no "before" the universe, because there is no time for that "before" to take place in.

It's like talking about "north of the north pole".

When you go back in time and reach the beginning of the universe, you have reached the beginning of time. There is no "before" the beginning of time. So there is no temporal frame in which a cause could happen.

So to talk about a "cause" of the universe, is technically nonsense.

We do speak about a "cause" to refer to whatever process originated the universe, because we have to use words to communicate our ideas and as we are beings that live in a space-time continuum, we have no language to accomodate for such atemporal conditions. But keep in mind that the concept of actions happening "before" the universe, is by itself somewhat nonsensical.

What's an example of uncaused events happening in quantum mechanics all the time? Blind chance cannot be given credit for creating our highly ordered universe. Though Hawkins was an atheist, he admitted, "It would be very difficult to explain why the universe should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who intended to create beings like us."

 

[Skywalker]

Maybe, but all the evidence is he didn't. So obviously what may seem like "sense" would appear to be wrong.

Unless one thinks that God put the fossils in the rocks to fool the scientists, of course, like Edmund Gosse's father: Philip Henry Gosse - Wikipedia

Scientist Nils Heribert Nillson said, "fossil material is now so complete that it has been possible to construct new classes, and the lack of transitional series cannot be explained as being due to the scarcity of material. The deficiencies are real, they will never be filled". CREATION / EVOLUTION: The Fossil Record

Fossils exist because things decay over time.

 

[ppp]

Carl Sagan described the brain's neurochemistry as "busy and the circuitry of a machine more wonderful than any designed by humans". https://publicism.info/science/cosmos/12.html

You keep quoting people who clearly and directly say that you are dead wrong. If you are trying to defend your god claims, you are failing miserably.

 

[Skywalker]

It does not.
If there was a beginning, it just means that something triggered it into beginning. This something doesn't need to be a "who" any means. And in fact, considering everything we know about "who"'s, it is in fact very extremely unlikely and implausible that it was a "who".

Asking "who created the universe" is a loaded question like "why do you hit your wife".

How about "WHAT created the universe".
You're going to need to bring some serious evidence to justify using the word "who". And that evidence should demonstrate agency and intentionality. Good luck with that.



A tornado has a beginning. Does it also have a "beginner"?
Perhaps tornado creating pixies?

A tornado has a beginner in the sense that it exists within God's creation and we know the cause and effect that led to it existing-the forces of nature having to do with weather.

 

[Skywalker]

You keep quoting people who clearly and directly say that you are dead wrong. If you are trying to defend your god claims, you are failing miserably.

He said that the information that's in people's brains would fill as many as in the world's largest libraries. Each person has the equivalent of twenty million books. That is how complex humans are.

 

[Skywalker]

Every single argument you give for why the universe must be created, applies to your god as well.
The universe is created, apparantly, because it is "complex".
Your god necessarily must also be complex. Perhaps even more complex then the universe.

So if that means the universe must be created, then your god must be created as well.
To make an exception to this "rule" for your god, is just a case of special pleading. Another fallacy.

How is God more complex than the universe? Does a painter have to be more simple than the painting for them to have painted it? The painter is obviously more complex than the painting.