How does the Masterpiece Really Work????

[Bird123]

If after researching all the religions someone conclude he have not found the true God from those religions, is it really the place for the person to look for true God?

If his conclusion is correct, then it is not the place to look for true God.

If his conclusion is wrong, he may continue to repeatedly research all those religions all his life if he wish to do so until he finally reach a correct conclusion.


I don't have belief that God doesn't exist, It is because i have not meet any evidence which can convince me to believe God doesn't exist.

Me saying i don't believe God exist, it is because i have not meet any evidence which can convince me to believe God exist.

"I don't believe God exist" doesn't equal to "I believe God doesn't exist".

I don't believe God exist neither do i believe God doesn't exist.

Here is the revision of your question:
Should your disbelief that God exist prevent you from figuring out how it all really works? Where is your curiosity?

There are many things i don't believe in, of course i have curiosity to have every answer about many of them, but unfortunately i don't have enough time nor find it important to figure most of them out.

Also i figure out how anything works by reason and logic, not by God say so.

All I was really asking from you was some of your reason and logic. I feel like all I received from you was Tap Dancing. You ought to be in showbiz.

 

[Bird123]

IMO, most people give credence to the myth that they can successfully determine their course apart from God. The Bible assures us we cannot, nor do we have the right to try. (Jeremiah 10:23) I believe this rebellion will soon end, at God's appointed day and hour. The masterpiece will be restored to it's perfection. (2 Peter 3:10,13)

The way I see it is that your holy book has corrupted your thinking.

You see God as a Ruling, Controlling God ready to come down here and get people in line. Yea, we will get the people right then.

I see it different. A parent is supposed to out think their children. I see God allowing our free choices but teaching us with the results from those choices. Isn't it better to fix the problem even through those free choices? Teaching, not Condemning has to bring better results. After all what is more important, power, control, and forcing or fixing the real problem?

 

[Pudding]

All I was really asking from you was some of your reason and logic. I feel like all I received from you was Tap Dancing. You ought to be in showbiz.

Bold empty claims.

 

[VioletVortex]

Mankind is on the path to complete self destruction. However, if society destroys itself and there are enough people left, we will be able to rebuild society in a better way.

Nature contains a perfect balance. However, we have the capability to **** with the balance of nature. Just because we have that ability doesn't mean we should use it.

 

[Bird123]

Mankind is on the path to complete self destruction. However, if society destroys itself and there are enough people left, we will be able to rebuild society in a better way.

Nature contains a perfect balance. However, we have the capability to **** with the balance of nature. Just because we have that ability doesn't mean we should use it.

What do you base your idea that mankind is on the path to complete self destruction? Sometimes one must cross the poison ivy patch to get to the picnic. It might prove uncomfortable, however the picnic makes the journey worth the trip.

Can one allow their view of the world to be solely based on what the news and religion give the world? I think not.

 

[columbus]

What do you base your idea that mankind is on the path to complete self destruction?

Human nature. Our tendency to ignore growing problems until they are disasters and then use violence to resolve the issues.

There are vastly more humans now than ever and the population continues to grow. As the supporting capacity of the biosphere shrinks the expectations grow faster even than the population. The huge, poor, and desperate majority are getting hold of increasingly sophisticated weapons and tactics.

Few people are willing to give up their privileges or aspirations. They will start more wars like the invasion of Iraq, on similarly flimsy contexts. Or use increasingly sophisticated suicide bombing tactics. Eventually somebody like Trump will do something irrevocable and blow up everything that matters.
Tom

 

[ronandcarol]

How does the Masterpiece Really Work????
God is in total control! He knows the end from the beginning and His children
are never in peril.

ronandcarol

 

[Bird123]

Human nature. Our tendency to ignore growing problems until they are disasters and then use violence to resolve the issues.

There are vastly more humans now than ever and the population continues to grow. As the supporting capacity of the biosphere shrinks the expectations grow faster even than the population. The huge, poor, and desperate majority are getting hold of increasingly sophisticated weapons and tactics.

Few people are willing to give up their privileges or aspirations. They will start more wars like the invasion of Iraq, on similarly flimsy contexts. Or use increasingly sophisticated suicide bombing tactics. Eventually somebody like Trump will do something irrevocable and blow up everything that matters.
Tom

 

[Bird123]

Human nature. Our tendency to ignore growing problems until they are disasters and then use violence to resolve the issues.

There are vastly more humans now than ever and the population continues to grow. As the supporting capacity of the biosphere shrinks the expectations grow faster even than the population. The huge, poor, and desperate majority are getting hold of increasingly sophisticated weapons and tactics.

Few people are willing to give up their privileges or aspirations. They will start more wars like the invasion of Iraq, on similarly flimsy contexts. Or use increasingly sophisticated suicide bombing tactics. Eventually somebody like Trump will do something irrevocable and blow up everything that matters.
Tom

It does seem to be Human nature to procrastinate until the last minute in solving problems, however that does not mean those problems will not be solved.

Everybody wants to rule the world has always been an issue many need to address. Until mankind outgrows that, it will be a struggle.

Yes, seems those fancy weapons are getting in the hands of those who could never make them by themselves. The greed for money is behind that. One must also remember technology for surveillance, and defense has increased. There are also unmanned drones which can infiltrate places unsafe for people to be.

I would not give up the fight just yet. Even the nuclear capabilities of small nations and evil groups come up lacking. Sure, they could hurt lots of people but could hardly kill all life on the planet. Got to have the really Hot stuff to do that.

Finally, Trump. Politicians rant, rave and say anything to get into power. It's another thing when they are actually behind the wheel driving. There are also checks and balances which supplies some safeguards. This is not a dictatorship.

Perhaps if we nurture the good view, it will influence others to walk the good path with us. Most of what one worries about never happens anyway. People learn and grow then tend to navigate toward peace. After all that is what everyone really wants.

 

[idav]

As we look around this world, we see that all the physics add up pretty well. Everything is balanced and works great.

People say mankind and the world is nothing but a big mess!!! Is it really?

If God created the world so that the physics add up so well, isn't it safe to assume the People factor is also working well as it is supposed to do? With this in mind, maybe people have the view of things completely wrong.

If the human factor is working perfectly as it should, having been designed by Great Intelligence, how is it really working in order to be a Masterpiece? Perhaps, that is the challenge to discovery. If one can understand how something works, the view of it changes drastically.

What is Really going on with the People Factor???? How does the Masterpiece Really Work????

Everything works fine without any real effort, without having to try. It will continue to work fine with or without humans adding drama.

 

[rusra02]

The way I see it is that your holy book has corrupted your thinking.

You see God as a Ruling, Controlling God ready to come down here and get people in line. Yea, we will get the people right then.

I see it different. A parent is supposed to out think their children. I see God allowing our free choices but teaching us with the results from those choices. Isn't it better to fix the problem even through those free choices? Teaching, not Condemning has to bring better results. After all what is more important, power, control, and forcing or fixing the real problem?

What is the Holy Bible but God's provision to teach us? I believe God sent his own Son to teach us, and has till now been inviting us to learn from him. ( Isaiah 48:17,18) The problem is people have refused God's loving help. As Jesus said; "Now this is the basis for judgment: that the light has come into the world, but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked." (John 3:19) I believe it would be unloving for God to allow the wicked to run rampant indefinitely. I am convinced the destruction of the wicked will be the ultimate result of their free will choices.

 

[Bird123]

Everything works fine without any real effort, without having to try. It will continue to work fine with or without humans adding drama.

I agree and since there is so much learning around Drama, Drama will probably be around for a long time.

 

[Bird123]

What is the Holy Bible but God's provision to teach us? I believe God sent his own Son to teach us, and has till now been inviting us to learn from him. ( Isaiah 48:17,18) The problem is people have refused God's loving help. As Jesus said; "Now this is the basis for judgment: that the light has come into the world, but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked." (John 3:19) I believe it would be unloving for God to allow the wicked to run rampant indefinitely. I am convinced the destruction of the wicked will be the ultimate result of their free will choices.

The Bible was written by mankind not God. Is God really so weak that He would have to resort to destruction rather than fixing those kiddies through education? If we look at the universe, everything works so well. Is God really having problems with the kiddies? I think not. Patience. Education is in progress.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

As we look around this world, we see that all the physics add up pretty well. Everything is balanced and works great.

People say mankind and the world is nothing but a big mess!!! Is it really?

If God created the world so that the physics add up so well, isn't it safe to assume the People factor is also working well as it is supposed to do? With this in mind, maybe people have the view of things completely wrong.

If the human factor is working perfectly as it should, having been designed by Great Intelligence, how is it really working in order to be a Masterpiece? Perhaps, that is the challenge to discovery. If one can understand how something works, the view of it changes drastically.

What is Really going on with the People Factor???? How does the Masterpiece Really Work????

I think that's a great point.

Part of what makes nature work is it's ability to recycle, regenerate it's resources, but there are some vital resources nature cannot recycle.

e.g.

Most plants appeared on the planet with vastly higher levels of atmospheric CO2, upwards of 7000 ppm

over millions of years they consumed this down to a near starvation level of 270 ppm, helping open up vast deserts that were once lush.
Without humanity nature was doomed to starve itself.

It could even be argued that humanity's primary role is restoring some balance to nature.

 

[Bird123]

I think that's a great point.

Part of what makes nature work is it's ability to recycle, regenerate it's resources, but there are some vital resources nature cannot recycle.

e.g.

Most plants appeared on the planet with vastly higher levels of atmospheric CO2, upwards of 7000 ppm

over millions of years they consumed this down to a near starvation level of 270 ppm, helping open up vast deserts that were once lush.
Without humanity nature was doomed to starve itself.

It could even be argued that humanity's primary role is restoring some balance to nature.

I don't believe mankind's primary role is to balance nature. I do think mankind is part of the overall design of it all.