How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

[nPeace]

Simply put, your "theology" is merely your own speculation as it's obvious you've never spent time discussing this with actual theologians.

Secondly, your "science" isn't that at all, including with your links above. Lucy was not a "stand-alone" individual, and she clearly was human if you knew what to look for, such as with her dentition and numerous other features.

Anyone who cannot see the obvious, namely that all material objects appear to change over time and that this includes all animals, including us, simply is operating out of blind faith. And your "theology" falls into that same category as well, so there's no where else to go with this conversation.
Have a good day.

You think biologists have blind faith, because they do not accept a belief that cannot be verified?
This is an odd response, seeing that you are the one making all the fuss about objective evidence, and now you want people to accept something on subjective evidence.
What more can I say. Not only do such so called Christians have no faith at all, they demonstrate hypocrisy in their love of the world.
Have a good day.

 

[metis]

Marvel lore mentions and discusses numerous events that actually took place and get names right and everything.
Therefor Thor and the other super heroes exists.




Then you should believe that Julius Ceasar was an actual god.




It's like you are not aware that there are fossils of over 300 individuals of that species.
Did you think Lucy was the only one? She's the most famous. Not the only one, nor the most complete.
Meet Little Foot, for example: Analysis of famed fossil helps unlock when humans and apes diverged

Thanks for this link as I never heard of "Little Foot" before.

 

[metis]

Not only do such so called Christians have no faith at all, they demonstrate hypocrisy in their love of the world.

Hopefully someday you'll believe what Jesus said about "Judge ye not...". To insinuate someone is not a true Christian because they disagree with you is truly so pathetic. Maybe someday you'll actually realize this, and getting over yourself would be an excellent first step, imo.

 

[nPeace]

Marvel lore mentions and discusses numerous events that actually took place and get names right and everything.
Therefor Thor and the other super heroes exists.

What. They found Thor and his hammer? Where?

Then you should believe that Julius Ceasar was an actual god.

Why?

It's like you are not aware that there are fossils of over 300 individuals of that species.
Did you think Lucy was the only one? She's the most famous. Not the only one, nor the most complete.
Meet Little Foot, for example: Analysis of famed fossil helps unlock when humans and apes diverged

I know what they found.
They found fossils of creatures with similar forms.
Some were of animal. Some were of human.
They put fur on some humans, and took fur from some animals... and they bent them in various positions to get their story.

Subjective evidence.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What we are talking about is your claim that natural selection is directed.

And I'm explaining how it is directed. But you seem to be doing your best to ignore it.
I ask again: in your opinion, where do selection pressures come from? What determines what the pressures are?
Do you even know what selection pressure is?

You have not provided any paper of biologists agreeing with that claim.
You're just repeating the claim.

Environmental Influences on Natural Selection | Facts & Examples - Lesson | Study.com

Understand how the environment influences natural selection. Learn what natural selection is. Explore how mutation relates to natural selection...

study.com

Quote from the page, emphasis mine:

The environment drives natural selection; it determines which traits will help an animal to be successful. Environmental factors influencing natural selection include:

• Climate: Animals must be able to survive the temperature and frequent weather events of their habitat.
• Predators: Individuals that are better adapted to protect themselves from predators will have a better chance of passing on their genes.
• Habitat type: Where an animal lives directly influences which traits will be considered adaptive. For example, a desert animal will need different traits from a forest animal.
• Food sources: An individual that is better adapted to exploit the environment's food sources will have a much greater chance of surviving.

It's pretty basic evolution 101, that the environment is the driver, the director of natural selection.
The environment determines what works and what doesn't.

 

[nPeace]

Hopefully someday you'll believe what Jesus said about "Judge ye not...". To insinuate someone is not a true Christian because they disagree with you is truly so pathetic. Maybe someday you'll actually realize this, and getting over yourself would be an excellent first step, imo.

Metis said...

Anyone who cannot see the obvious, namely that all material objects appear to change over time and that this includes all animals, including us, simply is operating out of blind faith. And your "theology" falls into that same category as well, so there's no where else to go with this conversation.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What. They found Thor and his hammer? Where?

I'll let the audience conclude for themselves the dishonest trickery here.

Why?

For the same reason you gave to justify belief in the bible:

"When we have pieces of evidence that are verified to be true, there is no need to have every single dot in the Bible, verified." ~nPeace

We have very many pieces of evidence confirming Julius' story. So there is no need to have every single dot verified either.
Meaning we can believe all still unverified claims about Ceasar also.
One such claim is that he was deified and became a literal god.

I know what they found.
They found fossils of creatures with similar forms.
Some were of animal. Some were of human.
They put fur on some humans, and took fur from some animals... and they bent them in various positions to get their story.

Subjective evidence.

I don't even know how to respond to that.
All I can say is that clearly, you have no idea how the field of paleontology, or science at large, actually works....

You might want to read up a bit. This is just embarassing.

 

[metis]

Metis said...

And you can't even see that one does not contradict the other.

 

[metis]

What. They found Thor and his hammer? Where?


Why?


I know what they found.
They found fossils of creatures with similar forms.
Some were of animal. Some were of human.
They put fur on some humans, and took fur from some animals... and they bent them in various positions to get their story.

Subjective evidence.

Now you are being blatantly dishonest as the article doesn't say that! Could you stoop any lower?

 

[nPeace]

And I'm explaining how it is directed. But you seem to be doing your best to ignore it.
I ask again: in your opinion, where do selection pressures come from? What determines what the pressures are?
Do you even know what selection pressure is?

Environmental Influences on Natural Selection | Facts & Examples - Lesson | Study.com

Understand how the environment influences natural selection. Learn what natural selection is. Explore how mutation relates to natural selection...

study.com

Quote from the page, emphasis mine:

The environment drives natural selection; it determines which traits will help an animal to be successful. Environmental factors influencing natural selection include:

• Climate: Animals must be able to survive the temperature and frequent weather events of their habitat.
• Predators: Individuals that are better adapted to protect themselves from predators will have a better chance of passing on their genes.
• Habitat type: Where an animal lives directly influences which traits will be considered adaptive. For example, a desert animal will need different traits from a forest animal.
• Food sources: An individual that is better adapted to exploit the environment's food sources will have a much greater chance of surviving.

It's pretty basic evolution 101, that the environment is the driver, the director of natural selection.
The environment determines what works and what doesn't.

Speaking of evolution 101...
Natural selection is the simple result of variation, differential reproduction, and heredity — it is mindless and mechanistic.
Saying a result is directed, is ridiculous.
It's like saying the car was directed to burn, because it hit the gas tank and ignited. The environment directed the process.

It is important to note that natural selection is not directed or intentional. It depends on chance variations, due to genetic variations, and can work only with the “raw material” of existing species.

Need more?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Because storytelling is part of what human societies do, and we can look at what makes humans human through the eyes of science, as well as through our stories we tell ourselves about ourselves. I think both sets of eyes are informative.

So the question should be, what does the story of Adam and Eve tell us about ourselves that we should find truth in it? It's obviously more than just telling us about history, isn't it? Wouldn't you think its primary focus is on human nature, and not a scientific explanation of how things came to be? Isn't it more about our view of the Divine and about ourselves in relation to the Divine, than it is about science and history?

Exactly, but when it comes Miracles in the Bible, it is all literal, and physical truth?

 

[nPeace]

And you can't even see that one does not contradict the other.

Judging again...

 

[nPeace]

Now you are being blatantly dishonest as the article doesn't say that! Could you stoop any lower?

More judging...
You know what hypocrisy is, right?

 

[nPeace]

I'll let the audience conclude for themselves the dishonest trickery here.



For the same reason you gave to justify belief in the bible:

That's on your part. The audience isn't all ungodly, so don;t expect to get all.

"When we have pieces of evidence that are verified to be true, there is no need to have every single dot in the Bible, verified." ~nPeace

We have very many pieces of evidence confirming Julius' story. So there is no need to have every single dot verified either.
Meaning we can believe all still unverified claims about Ceasar also.
One such claim is that he was deified and became a literal god.

You can believe what you want. Don't put me in it.
You already believe nonsense, anyway.

I don't even know how to respond to that.
All I can say is that clearly, you have no idea how the field of paleontology, or science at large, actually works....

Tell that to the Paleontologist that disagree with those assertions.
Oh wait. They are dishonest... like me.

You might want to read up a bit. This is just embarassing.

Oh. ...and the Paleontologist that actually practice the science, cannot read.

 

[Windwalker]

Exactly, but when it comes Miracles in the Bible, it is all literal, and physical truth?

I don't believe so. Stories such as walking on water or parting the Red Sea, or Adam and Eve created out of thin air whole and fully formed, are symbolic in nature, not literal physical scientific and historical facts.

That said however, I believe existence itself is a Miracle. Science simply tries to understand how the parts of that Miracle work and function together. Understanding the science of it then would be like reading holy scripture, wouldn't it? One wonders why so many religionists resist it?

 

[George-ananda]

How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

The best I got is alien manipulation of our DNA to produce a more advanced human form.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The best I got is alien manipulation of our DNA to produce a more advanced human form.

Any evidence for this odd belief?


I did not think so.

 

[George-ananda]

Any evidence for this odd belief?


I did not think so.

I believe there is actually. It comes for me first from those who I believe have clairvoyant insight into the past. Also, some scientists pointing to things about our DNA that could give rise to this possibility (but the details of that discussion are over my head).

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe there is actually. It comes for me first from those who I believe have clairvoyant insight into the past. Also, some scientists pointing to things about our DNA that could give rise to this possibility (but the details of that discussion are over my head).

Unfortunately when tested properly clairvoyance does not exist either.

 

[Windwalker]

Any evidence for this odd belief?


I did not think so.

Why else would space aliens be coming to visit us, if not for checking up on their science experiment to see if we have blown ourselves up yet or not?