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How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
The hypocrisy is staggering. All you've done on here is totally ignore all the references and substantive points and answers given to you and accused everybody who doesn't agree with your unsupported assertions of lying. Now you want to hold other people up to a higher standard. We're already working to a higher standard than you simply by providing proper references and answers to your questions.

Matthew 7:5
It’s good sound, timely evidence, not hypocrisy. Many can see the sock puppetry going on. You seemingly cannot help yourself and without wishing to be derogatory as it’s not a personal attack having public knowledge of your condition, you come across as an unwell militant.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
It’s good sound, timely evidence, not hypocrisy. Many can see the sock puppetry going on. You seemingly cannot help yourself and without wishing to be derogatory as it’s not a personal attack having public knowledge of your condition, you come across as an unwell militant.
Wow. Accusing people, without evidence, of sock puppetry and calling them unwell.

Are you okay?
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
It’s good sound, timely evidence, not hypocrisy.
Reference a post of yours that contains actual evidence.

Many can see the sock puppetry going on. You seemingly cannot help yourself and without wishing to be derogatory as it’s not a personal attack having public knowledge of your condition, you come across as an unwell militant.
And off you go into an ad hom again, while continuing to ignore all the substantiate evidence and answers you've been given. You just couldn't make it up. Are you actually an atheist trying to make faith look absurd?

Do you mean you can prove my accusation is wrong? I doubt that.
Hilarious. Your claim, your burden of proof. Shifting the burden of proof is a fallacy (a basic mistake in logic).
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No, you keep claiming that, and somewhat perversely. I believe in God’s Word.
You abuse "God's word". Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you have to believe all of it literally. And yes, you do claim that God is a liar. You simply refuse to learn how you do it. Are you bold enough to learn or are you merely going to use the ostrich defense?
Christians only believe the ToE because it has been taught in schools the past 50+ years and taught as if it were fact when it is full of lies, inconsistencies and back-engineering. It has been a form of brainwashing. Mutations is the only fact.
No, "believe" is the wrong word. You should try to learn the difference between belief and knowledge. Most Christians know that evolution is a fact because they were properly taught about the subject. There are no lies in evolution. At least you have not found any. You cannot support your claims against evolution properly, that should tell you something. You seem to be conflating evolution with the Bible. It is filled with inconsistencies and has evidence of "back-engineering". But let's not start a discussion about how the Bible fails right now. That should be the topic of another thread.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Richard Dawkins approves many comedians for his annual award. Another reason not to take this type of atheist pretending to know about science seriously.
Comedians are typically quite intelligent. Anybody can laugh at a joke, but it takes wit to create humor. So, not surprisingly, Seth McFarland, George Carlin, Bill Maher, Ricky Gervais, David Cross, Larry David, and scores more comedians are vocal atheist comedians. You'll recognize many if not most of those people.

How many successful devout Christian comedians can you name? Rhetorical question.
It will seem rude to non-Christian when they finally stop breathing and see only Christians enter heaven.
This is what keeps you going, isn't it - the hope that those who disagree with you will suffer.
I will get pleasure to see those that live their life like there’s no accountability.
You're not alone. Check out this beautiful Christian witness:

[1] "In order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned ... So that they may be urged the more to praise God ... The saints in heaven know distinctly all that happens ... to the damned" - Thomas Aquinas

[2] "The door of mercy will be shut and all bowels of compassion denied, by God, who will laugh at their destruction; by angels and saints, who will rejoice when they see the vengeance' by their fellow-suffer the devil and the damned rejoicing over their misery." - Bishop Newcomb

[3] "This display of the divine character will be most entertaining to all who love God, will give them the highest and most ineffable pleasure. Should the fire of this eternal punishment cease, it would in a great measure obscure the light of heaven, and put an end to a great part of the happiness and glory of the blessed." - Samuel Hopkins

[4] "Non-Christians often ask the Christian, "But how can the God of love allow any of his creatures to suffer unending misery?" The question is, how can he not? The fact that God is love makes hell necessary." - Christian Theology in Plain Language, p. 219

[5] "The view of the misery of the damned will double the ardor of the love and gratitude of the saints of heaven ... The sight of hell torments will exalt the happiness of the saints forever ... Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell ... I tell you, yea! Such will be his sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish his bliss." - Jonathan Edwards

[6] "At that greatest of all spectacles, that last and eternal judgment how shall I admire, how laugh, how rejoice, how exult, when I behold so many proud monarchs groaning in the lowest abyss of darkness; so many magistrates liquefying in fiercer flames than they ever kindled against the Christians; so many sages philosophers blushing in red-hot fires with their deluded pupils; so many tragedians more tuneful in the expression of their own sufferings; so many dancers tripping more nimbly from anguish then ever before from applause." - Tertullian

[7] "Reprobate infants are vipers of vengeance, which Jehovah will hold over hell, in the tongs of his wrath, till they turn and spit venom in his face!" - Jonathan Edwards

[8] "What will it be like for a mother in heaven who sees her son burning in hell? She will glorify the justice of God." - Catholic Truth Society
So you’re now claiming undirected energy from the sun make genes/chemicals intelligent so they can grow bigger, faster, stronger organisms
No, that's your confused understanding of English that said no such thing.
I doubt your fooling anyone, certainly not me, with empty statement upon empty statement
How would you know? Do you offer yourself to others as a reliable measure of what comments are substantive? And it's "you're," not "your."
I keep asking how mutations of genes gain in information and more importantly intelligence because I never get a satisfactory answer.
Your question is ill-formed. Ask a better question. Mutations aren't intelligent. Nor are strands of DNA. Minds can be, and minds can gain information through the senses, but not unconscious entities. They can increase in complexity, which is form, but it shouldn't be called information unless it is apprehended by a conscious agent. Before that, it is merely form becoming more complex. Have you ever thought about the word IN-form? It suggests this way of viewing form and information, one being outside of mind, the other the apprehended imprint of this external form onto consciousness.
Genes are chemicals that degrade overtime through mutation in any species.
This is incorrect, but I doubt that is of interest to you. Repeating it, however, is. Gene pools don't degrade. They evolve to into genes conferring more fecundity through natural selection.
Survival isn’t something that makes an organism change
We're talking about populations and their gene pools, but otherwise, you got something correct. Survival doesn't make populations evolve. Genetic variation subjected to natural selection across generations makes populations evolve.
Is there a change in energy? Elements to molecules energy change?
Didn't you once claim to have been a chemist? Do you know why some reactions are spontaneous? Do you know how a catalyst works? Do you know what exothermic and endothermic mean in chemistry? Have you ever seen anything like this?

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Christians only believe the ToE because it has been taught in schools the past 50+ years and taught as if it were fact when it is full of lies, inconsistencies and back-engineering. It has been a form of brainwashing.
Cange ToE to creationism and 50+ years to millennia, and the statement is correct. Evolution is learned through education, creationism through indoctrination. Why? Only one is taught using a sound, evidenced argument, the presentation of which is education. The other depends on repetition and a lack of critical scrutiny to infuse into a defenseless mind.
It’s a difficult lie to breakdown because it’s predominantly been driven by egotistical, God hating men and women who are free to lie, fabricate evidence and backfit data, ignoring data that doesn’t fit the theory. It has been spread like a false religion.
Change God-hating men to creation apologists, and you're good to go. It's the apologist who feel free to lie:

"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church … a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them." - Martin Luther

See Pious fraud
Satan probably encouraged the ToE with God’s permission.
Yet you trust that god.
Do you mean you can prove my accusation is wrong? I doubt that.
You must think that your unsupported sock puppet claim needs to be disproven to be rejected. It doesn't. Nor would it matter if you were correct.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How is human evolution a testable concept? You say in general it's a testable concept. Please detail that with tests that have been performed
If your interest were sincere, you'd already know, or if you're a teenager and just became interested recently, you would have begun with a Google search. I call what you're doing, "Go fetch for me." It's always a futile effort. Nevertheless, I may encounter a religious apologist who really wants to learn some day. I will recognize that person by his or her initiative to seek out information and bring whatever questions his reading create to RF. Fair enough? You do the legwork that demonstrates that your interest is sincere if it is, and any number of us will field your specific questions about what you read. If you don't want to do that, that's fine, but you shouldn't expect to be taught like you're in a classroom.
Even if a person leaves religion out of the picture, there are questions about evolution. I've been looking at descriptions of genomes and DNA & RNA, and while I think it's fantastic, I don't think the evidence of DNA, RNA and genomes weighs in favor of natural selection. things are very complex. To me, it doesn't seem likely that they came about by natural selection because of their complexity and structure.
You don't and apparently can't leave your religious beliefs out. They direct your thinking. It's why you say that evidence doesn't support natural selection, not the reason you give involving complexity. This is where I am occasionally asked if I am a mind reader. No, but I read English and have several decades under my belt evaluating human behavior. Without a religious belief, people have no difficulty accepting that nature can generate complexity. And I don't believe that you know enough about the subject to have an informed opinion.
that would lead to a logical question -- which is -- if it didn't come about that way, then how did it come about? And yes, that would lead a person to think there is a superior intelligent power involved.
Here's more evidence of what motivates your thinking. This is the "conclusion" you have working toward. I put that word in quotes, because it's actually a premise made to look like a conclusion by front-loading it with a specious argument - something I call a pseudo-conclusion.
when push comes to shove I am going to take the Bible as the truth about creation and not evolution as the means of life or the process producing the different life forms.
You probably should have begun with this. Also, why deny being a science denier when you also ay that you will deny science that contradicts scripture?
Are there fossils of organisms that might resemble homo sapiens but are not homo sapiens, such as Lucy? Or gorillas? Yes, there are. Does that mean however, that humans evolved from some Unknown Common Ancestor and beyond?
How do suppose all those fossils of extinct hominin fossils got there? Were they created as "kinds"? If so, did they all have their own Adams?
I understand the logic. This, however, does not mean the theory is correct as it stands
But you say it is incorrect. If the theory is incorrect, what is correct instead? Don't forget to include an explanation for the fossils of extinct manlike creatures in your answer. If they didn't arise through evolution, you can't without invoking an intelligent designer for them. Did you want to suggest the god of the Christian Bible as their designer?
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
Comedians are typically quite intelligent. Anybody can laugh at a joke, but it takes wit to create humor. So, not surprisingly, Seth McFarland, George Carlin, Bill Maher, Ricky Gervais, David Cross, Larry David, and scores more comedians are vocal atheist comedians. You'll recognize many if not most of those people.


You must think that your unsupported sock puppet claim needs to be disproven to be rejected. It doesn't. Nor would it matter if you were correct.
Are you able to give a rational, stable explanation as to why you do what you do, attacking religion and specifically God. Do you know why you do it?
 
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Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
Evolution is learned through education, creationism through indoctrination. Why? Only one is taught using a sound, evidenced argument, the presentation of which is education. The other depends on repetition and a lack of critical scrutiny to infuse into a defenseless mind.
How do you know you haven’t been duped into believing an overly hyped, hypothesised religion? There’s not much repetition to confirm the ‘Lucy’ find, recently spoken about on here, was not a hoax.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
By studying it, learning what it is based on, seeing the evidence, and testing the logic. You know, all the things you are too afraid to do yourself.
You’ve been duped. The only fact you have is mutations. The drive of man with hypotheses is intrinsically flawed from the start, now they backfit everything to it.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
Pointing out the obvious problems with the beliefs of your tiny, extremist cult, is not the same as attacking god.
Why can you not give a rational, stable explanation why certain atheist comedians, those that have won the Richard Dawkins Award, vocally try to do down God every opportunity they get.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
You’ve been duped. The only fact you have is mutations. The drive of man with hypotheses is intrinsically flawed from the start, now they backfit everything to it.
More baseless assertions and still not addressing the actual evidence that you've been given. You know that ignoring the content of something and just asserting that it's wrong, doesn't make it go away, don't you? You're like a tiny child stamping its little foot really, really hard and insisting it's right and everybody else is wrong. It's rather sad really.
 
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