How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

[metis]

The idea of random mutation is not consistent with the healthy changes we see in nature.

Actually, they are.

Random mutations create increased variations within the gene pools, and then natural selection and genetic drift take over from there. All three have been well documented for more than a century now, so this is not based on speculation.

 

[Apostle John]

You know what would really make someone rich and famous?
Disproving the theory of evolution with evidence.
Maybe ask yourself why nobody has been able to do this yet, despite so much time and effort put in by creationists on this matter.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when it comes to science. And it shows. It really, really shows.

You have no idea the real reason why you have been brainwashed with the concept of humans coming from apes.

 

[Apostle John]

Actually, they are.

Random mutations create increased variations within the gene pools, and then natural selection and genetic drift take over from there. All three have been well documented for more than a century now, so this is not based on speculation.

Actually most mutations have a negative influence, in reality few if any are beneficial.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Actually most mutations have a negative influence, in reality few if any are beneficial.

Correction: most mutations are neutral and produce no difference in survivability.

However, what's important is that you acknowledge something fundamental: that some few mutations DO provide a benefit to survival.

So, given that you have accepted that, what prevents that benefit leading to changes in populations over time?

 

[ratiocinator]

You have no idea the real reason why you have been brainwashed with the concept of humans coming from apes.

You are the person here is is making confident assertions about a subject they clearly know nothing about. Others are using reasoning and evidence. Now you tell us it's us who is 'brainwashed'. Comedy gold.

Actually most mutations have a negative influence, in reality few if any are beneficial.

Most don't have much of an effect at all, actually. It is natural selection (as I've already described in detail) that results in those with negative effects dying out and those with beneficial effects spreading through the population.

That's why we have populations made up of accumulated beneficial mutations.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You have no idea the real reason why you have been brainwashed with the concept of humans coming from apes.

This doesn't address what I said in the slightest. Try staying on topic.

 

[Apostle John]

This doesn't address what I said in the slightest. Try staying on topic.

You won’t be convinced by another human of believing in anything else with that level of brainwashing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually most mutations have a negative influence, in reality few if any are beneficial.

That is not true. Most mutations are benign. That is because the huge majority of our DNA is noncoding DNA. A mutation in that area usually does nothing. But you would have been right if you said that there are more bad mutations than good ones.

But even that does not matter. Natural selection eliminates the bad and preserves or even promotes the beneficial mutations.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You won’t be convinced by another human of believing in anything else with that level of brainwashing.

You should be the last person to be talking about brainwashing here. Let's try to stick to the facts.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You won’t be convinced by another human of believing in anything else with that level of brainwashing.

You're adorable.

"You atheists with your brainwashing! I came to my beliefs the non-brainwashing way, by having a collective group force me to read a book that makes a lot of unfounded claims and instilling in me the belief that if you don't accept those claims you will be tortured forever. How does it feel to be a sheeple??"

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have no idea the real reason why you have been brainwashed with the concept of humans coming from apes.

Wow! No, if anyone has been brainwashed it has been you.

Let's try to keep the debate focused on facts and figures.

 

[Apostle John]

You should be the last person to be talking about brainwashing here. Let's try to stick to the facts.

So Theory of evolution has jumped to factual status now. That makes sense with the lie spreaders. Pure brainwashing!

 

[Apostle John]

You're adorable.

"You atheists with your brainwashing! I came to my beliefs the non-brainwashing way, by having a collective group force me to read a book that makes a lot of unfounded claims and instilling in me the belief that if you don't accept those claims you will be tortured forever. How does it feel to be a sheeple??"

Sheeple? Are you David Icke or a Richard Dawkins Award recipient, there’s not much difference there.

 

[F1fan]

You have no idea the real reason why you have been brainwashed with the concept of humans coming from apes.

If you aren't citing experts in science then you are mistaken. You are repeating bad faith religious disinformation, and the well-informed and well-educated understand this. Why don't you? Who fooled you to believe in anti-science Christian disinformation?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So Theory of evolution has jumped to factual status now. That makes sense with the lie spreaders. Pure brainwashing!

Wow. At this point you're not even TRYING to read the posts your're replying to before making false assertions about them.

What does the Bible say about bearing false witness?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Sheeple? Are you David Icke or a Richard Dawkins Award reciprient, there’s not much difference there.

Man, you're not even trying.

Could you calm down and have a reasonable discussion?

 

[SkepticThinker]

You won’t be convinced by another human of believing in anything else with that level of brainwashing.

Oops, that doesn't address it either.
Maybe you should go back and re-read it, to refresh your memory.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So Theory of evolution has jumped to factual status now. That makes sense with the lie spreaders. Pure brainwashing!

Evolution is a fact of life, yes. Biology doesn't work without it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So Theory of evolution has jumped to factual status now. That makes sense with the lie spreaders. Pure brainwashing!

Is gravity a fact? There is more evidence for the theory of evolution than there is for the theory of gravity.

And remember, you believe in an inconsistent series of myths. That is "pure brainwashing".

Theories explain facts. In the sciences there is nothing that outranks a theory. The theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity. The theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution.

You cannot refute an idea by just claiming "brainwashing" you need to demonstrate it.

 

[Apostle John]

It is natural selection (as I've already described in detail) that results in those with negative effects dying out and those with beneficial effects spreading through the population.

That's why we have populations made up of accumulated beneficial mutations.

I’d have to see evidence of the percentage of mutations you’ve been told are ‘beneficial mutations’ as opposed to those having neutral/negative effects before I can see if that is a reason that you believe in it.