Today it is so, but, if things were created as told in the Bible, they were likely less vulnerable for that. For example humans lived allegedly hundreds of years. Slowly things have gotten weaker and it looks like everything is actually devolving, not evolving. For example mutations accumulate. But, in earlier times there had not yet been as many mutations or errors in the DNA replication, which is why the species were not as weak as today.
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How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?
- Thread starter InvestigateTruth
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If there was 2 bears after the flood, they could have gotten for example 20 cubs during their life. It is possible that none of them had any problem. At some generation there could have appeared some variations that led to all modern bear species, but it is possible there was nothing that would have led to total destruction of the species.When you reduce a population to two, the entire gene pool of the species is reduced to those two individuals. When a new genetic mutation arises, the gene pool is pretty much unaltered. All the variation across all the genes is the same. If the mutation is advantageous, then it will spread in the next generation and each subsequent one, but there is no restriction on breading. The next generation isn't forced to mate with their siblings, there no bottleneck of overall variation. The mutation will just crop up more and more often amongst all the existing variations, probably acquiring variations of its own on the way.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
All sorts of things are possible, that doesn't make them likely and you are talking about a similar bottleneck for every species. The evidence is strongly against that, and the absurdity of the of the Noah story goes way, way beyond that. Unless your god is a liar, and has planted false evidence, then it didn't happen. Get over it.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
And for the Kangaroos they were catapulted form the Middle East to Australia. God is surely great.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Then you would need to demonstrate that that is possible. What is written in a book of myths is not evidence. That is a claim. In a debate like this if one cannot support a claim it is in effect refuted.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I still have my Boobquake 2010 tank top.Well when it comes to earthquakes those are caused by cleavage:
Boobquake - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And Kate Upton refuted that a mere two years later.. If this did not cause Miami to slide off into the Atlantic nothing would:I still have my Boobquake 2010 tank top.
She is at the start and for the rest of the guys out there at 5:40 and 9:50. Old men and teenagers thank her for this.
Do we agree on that mutations accumulate?
Sorry, I don't believe you.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Beneficial ones (those that aid survival and reproduction in the environment) accumulate in the population over generations. Deleterious ones (those that reduce the chances of survival and reproduction in the environment) die out. Basic, obvious, simple natural selection.
So what? You are making claims that clearly contradict the evidence. Unless you have something better than your blind belief, it really isn't going to convince anybody else.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I mean, that's just like, your opinion, man.
And it doesn't match up with the available evidence.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That fact does not help you. You really need to learn what is and is not evidence in this sort of discussion. Right now you are just trying to form an ad hoc explanation. Those are worthless in scientific discussions.
If God, more likely represents the human perspective of the inspiration by God in the context of the culture and time the scripture. As in Baha'i beliefs this understanding evolves over time in progressive Revelation. The sacred text and religion is only relevant to the times it was revealed as relationship to the 'Source' some call God(s).
What it does demonstrate is from the more universal perspective of the possible relationship between God and humanity is tha no ancient tribal scripture such as the Bible, Torah or the Koran do not represent what the believers claim in the context of the contemporary world that if God exists God is more of a universal 'Source; than any God or Gods of ancient tribal religion.
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Wow, if it is your standard you have to live up to it regardless of whether others believe it came from a God or not in my view
And why can't someone adhere to a rule without believing that rule came from God? Eg I stop at red lights, but you won't find that rule (stopping at red lights) in your bible in my opinion.
In my opinion.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The Bible also says to obey "Caesar's law" so stopping at a red light is there for our protection.
Red lights were not invented by Caesar in my opinion.
And even if they were Caesar was a man so this proves one can adhere to a rule even believing it to be man made - which refutes your reasoning in the post i quoted in my view
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Yeah bye bye...take care.
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
Following from the beginning of Genesis up through to after they were kicked out of the Eden community, it follows the mechanics of life and evolution. Men and woman, coming of age, sexual curiosity, procreation, pregnancy, then on to the facts after the facts - "Childbirth is gonna hurt, so your pain will increase, you'll need to work and it won't be easy "from the sweat of your brow you'll labor for food", but be fruitful anyway and multiply and fill the earth with your offspring. That's how the story goes, so how is it not compatible with science?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You are forgetting that people are the result of evolution. Not a magical spell. Death occurred from almost the beginning of life. Not because a bimbo ate an apple.
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
That was not forgotten. It was stated very much to that effect. I guess you missed the evolution plug and mechanics of life reference.