How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

[ImmortalFlame]

‘Lucy’ shows the daftness of the imagination of man. Bones, only 40% complete and they go fabricate a fairytale story with them. I’m not going to discuss the fantasy of using dating methods with you again. Those bones are likely actually to come from a female human. The fragments of skull, how do you even know they kept their original shape for example?

So, your "effective challenge" to the evidence of Lucy for common ancestry is... to make a lot of unfounded claims?

The forensic science used to understand exactly what Lucy was and reconstruct her body is the exact same forensic science used today to accurately and correctly reconstruct the appearance of murder victims who left only scant bones behind. Your only response to this science is sheer incredulity.

You have nothing to offer this discussion.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

SubZone is correct. God set up Adam and Eve to fail. If you disagree then you're calling God a failure because the face value reading of the story is that God wanted them to obey, and they didn't. Wow, God couldn't create beings capable of basic obedience? Why put the tree of knowledge in easy access? Why send the serpent to tempt them if you REALLY wanted them to obey?

God accepts the blessing Jacob got after tricking his blind father. God’s not blind. Why didn’t He call Jacob out?

 

[metis]

Species to species evolution is a delusion. Your claims are not supported properly by just comparing skeletons and then speculating they just changed through adaptation, etc.
Really, to fully support your claims, you need to demonstrate a small mammal changing to another distinctly separate species, not just a change in hair colour. The fact that this has not been done with small rodents like mice in the lab after centuries of experimentation shows it’s a lie.

Not only is it not "delusional", as there has been experiments whereas new species emerged, such as what's repeatedly been done at Wayne State University with fruit flies. I did my grad work there but was not involved with this on-gong project. And this even stands to common sense amongst geneticists because mutations regularly occur whereas some are carried usually as recessive genes until a match with the same recessive gene. For example, I have blue eyes, which is carried recessively, thus both of my parents had to have recessive blue genes even though their phenotype [what shows] were for brown eyes.

 

[metis]

The study of genetics does not prove evolution in anyway whatsoever.

Categorically false.

 

[Apostle John]

So, your "effective challenge" to the evidence of Lucy for common ancestry is... to make a lot of unfounded claims?

The forensic science used to understand exactly what Lucy was and reconstruct her body is the exact same forensic science used today to accurately and correctly reconstruct the appearance of murder victims who left only scant bones behind. Your only response to this science is sheer incredulity.

You have nothing to offer this discussion.

Can you give examples of actual murder victims comparable with the extent of those found with “Lucy” so we can see you’re not blathering.

 

[metis]

For example about how earth was formed and how the flood happened, which explains well why world is like it is nowadays.

Actually, it doesn't. I've listened to many debates over the decades, and none of them were too close to call. For just one point, there simply is no evidence for a worldwide flood.

 

[metis]

Can you give examples of actual murder victims comparable with the extent of those found with “Lucy” so we can see you’re not blathering.

It doesn't make one iota of difference how Lucy died, thus what's important are the general features whether they be twisted somewhat out of shape or not.

 

[exchemist]

I think Bible has information that makes it more believable than others. For example about how earth was formed and how the flood happened, which explains well why world is like it is nowadays.

Neither account accords with the evidence.

 

[metis]

Adam and Eve, were at that tipping point, where evolution shifts away from being exclusively connected to sex, to also being connected to thought and will; knowledge of good and evil.

In Hebrew, "Adam" and "Eve" are symbolic terms, thus what we are reading in Genesis is most likely a "myth", namely a teaching device using the ancient are of storytelling. Taken at the literal level, the Creation accounts really don't make much sense if taken literally with what we now know scientifically.

 

[Apostle John]

It doesn't make one iota of difference how Lucy died, thus what's important are the general features whether they be twisted somewhat out of shape or not.

Why don’t you give us examples of humans that have been reconstructed from similar sparse skull fragments to those found in Lucy, that was my original point, to show you’re not blathering.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

One of the problems with that is of course would be seeing your family members or yourself being attacked and eaten by leopards, snakes, and any other number of things that kill you that being part of a civilized society protects you from. Evolutionarily speaking, humankind didn't get thrown out of the Garden. They stood up and walked out of it in pursuit of a more stable and safe existence!

There are people now in the US who wish it were 100-200 years ago, even when the time period sucked real hard for everyone.

 

[metis]

Why don’t you give us examples of humans that have been reconstructed from similar sparse skull fragments to those found in Lucy, that was my original point, to show you’re not blathering.

Is using insulting words part of your Christian tradition?

I've read a great many accounts of the analysis of Lucy, including looking at numerous photographs, and there is absolutely no doubt that she is an early human with some features that are clearly more "apish". When she was first found, there was much doubt because no specimen like her had been found, but now there are more going back to her time period and before.

Now, we certainly don't have all the answers we would like, such as with a roughly 6 million years b.p. find in Chad that has been hard to classify as being along the human lineage or not. Since no other such finds of what could be early humans have been found that far back, we're stuck the last time I read.

 

[F1fan]

Why don’t you give us examples of humans that have been reconstructed from similar sparse skull fragments to those found in Lucy, that was my original point, to show you’re not blathering.

But you have contempt for science, so why ask the forum to offer examples that experts in various sciences offer when you don't accept conclusions and models in science?

Your belief is based on your questionable interpretation of ancient myths (an interpretation and belief that you adopted from other believers), so why aren't you showing us how that is more valid than facts, data, and science? If you lack confidence in your belief just let us know.

 

[Apostle John]

Now, we certainly don't have all the answers we would like, such as with a roughly 6 million years b.p. find in Chad that has been hard to classify as being along the human lineage or not. Since no other such finds of what could be early humans have been found that far back, we're stuck the last time I read.

Yet, paradoxically, there is an inordinate amount of dinosaur fossil finds going back a supposed 65 million years.

 

[Apostle John]

But you have contempt for science, so why ask the forum to offer examples that experts in various sciences offer when you don't accept conclusions and models in science?

Your belief is based on your questionable interpretation of ancient myths (an interpretation and belief that you adopted from other believers), so why aren't you showing us how that is more valid than facts, data, and science? If you lack confidence in your belief just let us know.

I was asking for evidence to support claims the actual forum users on here made (not ‘experts’) that are suspect at using blather.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I was asking for evidence to support claims the actual forum users on here made (not ‘experts’) that are suspect at using blather.

So many feelings in you. You are really quite normal like the rest of us, despite you in effect claim to be special.

 

[F1fan]

I was asking for evidence to support claims the actual forum users on here made (not ‘experts’) that are suspect at using blather.

You are asking for expanations that a competent education would give you. Why are others respoinsble for educating you when you show excessive bias against science already? Why should they waste their time to an insincere and closed mind?

What you are evading is explaining why you have contempt for science and expertise. Not confident?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You are asking for expanations that a competent education would give you. Why are others respoinsble for educating you when you show excessive bias against science already? Why should they waste their time to an insincere and closed mind?

What you are evading is explaining why you have contempt for science and expertise. Not confident?

Well, all humans are humans qua being humans. Of course the utility of try to help another human is different, but that is not science.

 

[F1fan]

Yet, paradoxically, there is an inordinate amount of dinosaur fossil finds going back a supposed 65 million years.

See, you reject conclusions in science, and work done by experts. Why is that? What makes your belief more credible than experts in science?

You have yet to show us any expertise in any science that gives you credibility to criticize results, so are you an expert in sccience, even though you don't understand what "hypothesis" means?

 

[Apostle John]

So many feelings in you. You are really quite normal like the rest of us, despite you in effect claim to be special.

You know God once told me “you’re special” only pronounced similar to speeeeecial. He has given me over 200 words of knowledge/wisdom all in line with what the Bible teaches but I won’t be sharing many on here. I am humble and know all Christians are a class apart.