CynthiaCypher
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I had personal religious experience
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How Enlighten Was Buddha
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I had personal religious experience
Chisti
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Such as?
You are some gnostic, Cynthia. Discarding a dress is not dying. For Buddha the skandhas are not self.
From my embodied view point I may perceive that my guru in his body is suffering or acting etc. But the true guru is not the body. He is all pervading. There is no death or birth for such a one. All discussions that we see either criticising or defending a great religious personality stems from this same error of judging from an embodied viewpoint. But that is natural and removal of this error of seeing is the goal.
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CynthiaCypher
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It's personal.
Chisti
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Would you be offended if people said your personal experience was just a hallucination, and that you've mistakenly given it a spiritual significance?
nameless
The Creator
you did not answer my question ....
you believe in enlightening and you strive for something but dont have a goal, how is that possible? this was my question ..
CynthiaCypher
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Not at all because that's what I thought too.
CynthiaCypher
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I don't have to strive or have a goal. Gnosis is by grace, not by conduct or achievement.
Chisti
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So you don't believe in your experience?
CynthiaCypher
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I had my experience. It is a big influence. Believing it in my rational mind is another matter.
nameless
The Creator
quoted below one of your post ..
so you have a goal and you are trying for that ...
but claim the opposite ...
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I asked that question before but you chose not to answer as you said you couldn't summarize your beliefs.
But let's back up a second. I wasn't sure how to interpret your response to my question about continuation of conciousness at death. I think I originally mis-read it and you were trying to say their is no conciousness after death. Am I correct?
Sorry, I am not at all familiar with anarcho-gnosticism and am seriously trying to understand.
Chisti
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But you said you believed in god? Now you're saying you're not so sure.
CynthiaCypher
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No. I am sure I had that experience. Wrapping my rational mind around it is another matter.
CynthiaCypher
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Yes, once an organism dies it ceases to be conscious.
CynthiaCypher
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Worrying about tomorrow is a normal human response. I just have to remind myself not to worry. Not worrying isn't an ultimate goal, I'll always worry. It's part of being human.
I just don't believe I have to strive after God, knowledge of God is by grace.
Vrindavana Das
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The symptom of consciousness is thinking, feeling & willing. Which means, presence of a personality. So, our minute individual consciousness or personality can come only from the Supreme Personality - God!
That Supreme Personality of Godhead - Kṛṣṇa, declares in the Bhagavad Gītā:
Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.[B.G.2.12]
This clearly indicates that individual consciousness continues to exist after death also.
In fact, the nature of soul is - sat, chīt, ānānda. It is full of eternity, knowledge, & bliss. Our material bodies are full of miseries, ignorance & are temporary. Thus we thirst for all of the above - as these are inherent in our souls! In a material body, we, the souls, are put in an unnatural state of dying. Thus, we fear death - the unknown; still, we continue to exist, even after death of the material body!
That Supreme Personality of Godhead - Kṛṣṇa, declares in the Bhagavad Gītā:
na tv evāhaḿ jātu nāsaḿ
na tvaḿ neme janādhipāḥ
na caiva na bhaviṣyāmaḥ
sarve vayam ataḥ param
na tvaḿ neme janādhipāḥ
na caiva na bhaviṣyāmaḥ
sarve vayam ataḥ param
Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.[B.G.2.12]
This clearly indicates that individual consciousness continues to exist after death also.
In fact, the nature of soul is - sat, chīt, ānānda. It is full of eternity, knowledge, & bliss. Our material bodies are full of miseries, ignorance & are temporary. Thus we thirst for all of the above - as these are inherent in our souls! In a material body, we, the souls, are put in an unnatural state of dying. Thus, we fear death - the unknown; still, we continue to exist, even after death of the material body!
So what is the relationship between god and these organisms.
Should god matter to these organisms?
CynthiaCypher
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Should oxygen or gravity matter to these organisms? All organisms should and do live fully within the context of their environment whether they are aware of that or not.
Except for people don't seem to want to be aware of that, they kind of don't like to realize that. They want be something else, they want be somewhere else. People want security, heaven, enlightenment. They want perfection and self-realization. They want suffering and death to go away.