• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

How Exactly Did The Russians Influence The U.S. Elections?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
"Daley takes us through the story of how this all happened. Once Obama was in the White House, a group of wily Republicans doubled down on state and local politics. Chris Jankowski, a tactician for the Republican State Leadership Committee, and his allies came up with an audacious plan to target campaign money toward gaining control of state governments, where reapportionment would take place. The operation, called REDMAP (Redistricting Majority Project), was never a secret. Karl Rove outlined what they planned to do in the Wall Street Journal.

In a local race in Pennsylvania in 2010, Democrat David Levdansky, a 13-term state representative, found himself under assault. He faced a barrage of advertising, financed by national Republican organizations, claiming in misleading television spots and mailers that he had voted to spend $600 million on a library in honor of Arlen Specter, the controversial U.S. senator who had left the Republicans to join the Democrats. This didn’t sit well with constituents in a recession. He paid the price: Republican Rick Saccone narrowly defeated him. “The f---ing Arlen Specter library,” Levdansky recalled after he lost. Once national Republicans flipped his seat, they gained control of the state’s lower chamber.

The first stage of the plan worked beautifully. Republicans won majorities in 10 out of the 15 states that would be redrawing their districts.

With control of many state governments in place, Republicans launched the second phase. Using sophisticated software such as Maptitude, GOP operatives crafted favorable districts filled with conservative white voters, based on the kind of data available to corporations. The book is brimming with fascinating portraits of wunderkinds who integrated micro-targeting, computer mapmaking and gerrymandering. Democrats were clustered into a handful of districts while the rest were packed with conservative voters."

The power that gerrymandering has brought to Republicans

Here's one example of state level gerrymandering:

"After Republicans won control of the Texas state legislature in 2002 for the first time in 130 years, they intended to work toward establishing a majority of House of Representatives seats from Texas held by their party. After the 2002 election, Democrats had a 17–15 edge in House seats representing Texas, although the state's voters voted for Republicans in congressional races by a 55–45 margin.[1] After a protracted partisan struggle, the legislature enacted a new congressional districting map, Plan 1374C, introduced in the Texas House by Representative Phil King of Weatherford. In the 2004 congressional elections, Republicans won 21 seats to the Democrats' 11.[2]

On June 28, 2006, the Supreme Court of the United States issued an opinion that threw out one of the districts in the plan as a violation of the 1965 Voting Rights Act and ordered the lower court to produce a remedial plan, which it did in Plan 1440C. The Supreme Court ruling was not seen as seriously threatening Republican gains from the 2004 elections.[3]"

2003 Texas redistricting - Wikipedia
That's a lot of unfamiliar stuff to read & verify.
So let me just ask a more specific question
Ref....
Electoral College (United States) - Wikipedia
A state's number of electors equals the number of representatives plus two electors for both senators the state has in the United States Congress.[41][42] The number of representatives is based on the respective populations, determined every 10 years by the United States Census. Each representative represents on average 711,000 persons.[43]
How can either the number or congressional representatives be gamed by gerrymandering?
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Obama vows to retaliate against Russia

130894716457420110725-22047-1dgfuy4.jpg
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
Oh, that is what it is called, intelligence gathering or monitoring. Well, when we do it, that it is called monitoring. But when everyone else does it, that it is referred as hacking or espionage.
Don't you just love it! We are gods, that we makes the rules, not them.





I agree with you in principle. But the difference is that when the NSA monitors domestic traffic, it is intelligence gathering. The stuff we did with the German Chancellor I would consider hacking as it was foreign data. (of course the definition of foreign and domestic gets a bit murky with the internet but that is another discussion)
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
In related news, Trump chose a Russian to sing the National anthem at his inauguration. Many feel that having it sung in Russian would be appropriate at the moment. :D :D :D

О, говорят! вы можете увидеть в начале светом рассвета Что так гордо мы приветствовали наконец сверкающими Сумеречным; Чьи широкие полосы и яркие звезды, через опасный бой, O'er валами мы смотрели были так галантно потокового? И красные блики ракеты, бомбы разрыва в воздухе, Читал доказательство через ночь, что наш флаг был еще там: О, говорят! что делает Звездное знамя еще волна O'er на земле свободных и домом храбрых?

 

esmith

Veteran Member
In related news, Trump chose a Russian to sing the National anthem at his inauguration. Many feel that having it sung in Russian would be appropriate at the moment. :D :D :D
Let see how the below "fake news"(?) works for you Scuba Pete
Scuba Pete is upset Jackie Evancho is singing the National Anthem because she has a transgender sister
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In related news, Trump chose a Russian to sing the National anthem at his inauguration. Many feel that having it sung in Russian would be appropriate at the moment. :D :D :D

О, говорят! вы можете увидеть в начале светом рассвета Что так гордо мы приветствовали наконец сверкающими Сумеречным; Чьи широкие полосы и яркие звезды, через опасный бой, O'er валами мы смотрели были так галантно потокового? И красные блики ракеты, бомбы разрыва в воздухе, Читал доказательство через ночь, что наш флаг был еще там: О, говорят! что делает Звездное знамя еще волна O'er на земле свободных и домом храбрых?

Doesn't sound Russian to me (Habiru's link to ABC News)...
What to Know About Jackie Evancho, Who Will Sing Anthem at Inauguration

Will you demand to see her birth certificate?
 
Last edited:

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Let see how the below "fake news"(?) works for you Scuba Pete
Scuba Pete is upset Jackie Evancho is singing the National Anthem because she has a transgender sister
Even worse than a transgender sister, her parents are capitalists!
(Rumor has it that her father is a white male too.)
 

habiru

Active Member
162720_10150105002861131_963695_n.jpg


I wonder why President Trump did not chosen Rosanne Barr to sing it at his inauguration ? She has supported him all through this election. Oh well, at least it is better than Obama singing it.

 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Let see how the below "fake news"(?)
You know, dear comrade, the three smiley faces should have tipped you off that I was joking.

Anyone with a grain of sense would be able to discern this as humor. Oh snap. You're a Republican! Sry. I forgot. You'll just love my new campaign slogan:

Make America Smart Again: don't elect Republicans!
:D :D :D <= Note the smiley faces.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Are you acting obtuse or something?
This is one of the few times where a question like that is accurate instead of offensive.
Yes....I am entirely missing something here.
Your answer was long, & required much checking, so I skipped that.
I re-did my question to be more effective.
The "number" isn't gamed. You may be misunderstanding how gerrymandering is carried out... it's a age old American tradition...
I'm familiar with gerrymandering on the local level.
I just don't see how it can be done in a presidential election.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
This is one of the few times where a question like that is accurate instead of offensive.
Yes....I am entirely missing something here.
Your answer was long, & required much checking, so I skipped that.
I re-did my question to be more effective.

I'm familiar with gerrymandering on the local level.
I just don't see how it can be done in a presidential election.

It can't be done on a Presidential level, except possibly in the weakest ways in Maine and Nebraska, if those lines can even be adjusted easily or not; that I don't know.

But the Electoral College is still a handicap for any candidate on a Dem ticket...
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Is it just possible that Putin is retaliating against Hillary for her calling for investigation in the Russian election being fixed????
You know, dear comrade, the three smiley faces should have tipped you off that I was joking.

Anyone with a grain of sense would be able to discern this as humor. Oh snap. You're a Republican! Sry. I forgot. You'll just love my new campaign slogan:

Make America Smart Again: don't elect Republicans!
:D :D :D <= Note the smiley faces.
Nah we all know you have it out for anything that Trump does. So I was assuming your smiley faces was because you were happy that you were able to find some obscure thing to ding him on
:D:p:D:eek::confused::)
 
Top